German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
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German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
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Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#2Anti-copyright group ...
The site is called Hollywoodreporter, no surprise.
If anybody ist interested: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,823738,00...
The core discourse is about civil liberties and resentment with the old parties.
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#3Anti-copyright group ... The site is called Hollywoodreporter, no surprise. If anybody ist interested: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,823738,00... The core discourse is about civil liberties and resentment with the old parties.
Speaking of reporting, I wonder how long it'll take until the "Pirates board another x" phrase gets retired…
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#4I'm from germany, but I'm not sure if I would elect them.
In last months there were so many chances for them, but they missed every one.
For example they organised demonstrations against ACTA, but I never heard anything directly from the pirate party.
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#5Anti-copyright group... That and the "everything for free party" are the most common discriptions media and the established parties are trying to pose on the Pirates right now. That and the misinterpretation that an opposition to an attemt to simply block child pornographic sites when you try to access them from germany equals a support of said sites.
They are anew party with some, IMHO interessting fresh approaches. And if we have a party in the parliaments of one of the biggest economies in Europe oppossing the most wierd initiatives from the content industry, well that can only be great!
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#6Copyright discussions played little role in the Pirate's successful campaign, however. The party instead focused on issues of social and political reform.
Has anyone with real political influence (so, not them for now ;) addresses this issue? I suppose this was relevant before, but with more targeted parties like the Pirates, I think the faults in our election system seem more pronounced.
The reality is that a party like this is doomed to either lose votes for not having a position on anything else besides copyright, privacy and such, or lose votes by alienating the people who disagree with them on other issues.
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#7I'm from germany, but I'm not sure if I would elect them. In last months there were so many chances for them, but they missed every one. For example they organised demonstrations against ACTA, but I never heard anything directly from the pirate party.
There are several press releases about ACTA on piratenpartei.de: http://www.piratenpartei.de/category/pm/
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#8For the political hackers: note that these victories are made possible by Germany's proportional representation system, which guarantees seats in parliaments to any party which gets more than 5% of the popular vote across the state/city/whatever. Thus parties with broad but shallow support do get represented in government.
The electoral systems in the UK-derived nations (geographic districts only, first past the post) expressly prohibit such broad-but-shallow movements from ever being represented in government. If the Pirate Party in a U.S. state got the same percent of the vote, they would end up with precisely zero seats in the legislature. Even if they got double that percent of the vote, they would end up with precisely zero seats in the legislature. Triple? Still zero. The U.S. electoral system is an extremely conservative one, which prevents new political movements from ever being heard in government. There are better ones, such as Germany's.
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#9For the political hackers: note that these victories are made possible by Germany's proportional representation system, which guarantees seats in parliaments to any party which gets more than 5% of the popular vote across the state/city/whatever. Thus parties with broad but shallow support do get represented in government. The electoral systems in the UK-derived nations (geographic districts only, first past the post…
The Scottish Parliament actually has an element of PR, so we do get some minority parties with seats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament#2011_result
It wouldn't surprise me if we have Pirate Party MSPs in a few years.
[NB Scotland is still very much a part of the UK, at least for a couple of years or so!].
Re: German Pirate Party Scores Second State Victory
#10Copyright discussions played little role in the Pirate's successful campaign, however. The party instead focused on issues of social and political reform. Has anyone with real political influence (so, not them for now ;) addresses this issue? I suppose this was relevant before, but with more targeted parties like the Pirates, I think the faults in our election system seem more pronounced. The reality is that a party…
The Green Party (can't remember if it was the German or E.U. party) added some of the Pirate Party's planks to their platform, since they didn't have an official stance on copyright before and were losing voters out of their core demographics to the Pirate Party.