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Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

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Conceptually, I believe Bitcoins, or some derivative of them, will change the world. However, after writing a 25 page report on the legality of Bitcoins, I'm convinced the US government will view them as "domestic terrorism." Yes, you read that correctly. There are laws that state that anything that can be used to facilitate money laundering OR threaten the US economy is illegal. Don't get me wrong though, I'm one of…

Good thing there are 200+ other countries in the world.

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

#42
I love all the "aren't the current players going to win this war" posts. That's a HUGE advantage for you: everybody is going to underestimate you and your possible impact.... until it's too late. This isn't a sure bet, not by a long shot, but it's got a good chance of being something as impactful as Square has the potential to be, and that's a big fucking deal y'all.

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I agree that credit cards are going to be displaced, but what is the rationale that the solution requires its own currency? Most transactions are very much within national (or European) boundaries. I think companies like Venmo, Dwolla and Square (or even PayPal) are well-positioned to becoming credit card alternatives. So: why Bitcoin/a separate currency?

I think Dwolla is a valid approach that is better in the short term (doesn't ask people to change as much) but is not as good in the long term. They are built on ACH which still takes 1-3 business days. The way I think of it is Credit card = fast and expensive, ACH = slow and cheap, digital currency = fast and cheap. So it's the speed of credit card at the price of ach. Also, ACH doesn't work internationally well so there is an opportunity there (Western Union, etc).

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

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a little unfair to tack this response on to this particular post, but it reminds me (again) how much time people spend on the outward appearance of apps around alternative currency without addressing the part that's actually hard.. how do you give an alternative currency real value?

>how do you give an alternative currency real value? That's not your job. People either will, or they won't.

i agree that the value will come from things external to you - i.e. the best you can do is set up the conditions or rules of the interaction in such a way that they are conducive to them creating or assigning that value - but simply ignoring one of the most important factors in determining whether people would actually use your product as 'not your job' .. i dunno.. doesn't sound like a smart strategy

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without commenting on your first 3 points, I'd argue that a 3rd world country could potentially be an excellent place to gain mass adoption. In the U.S. we have credit cards and fixed addresses to mail bills. There's probably a billion people who don't have this. There is absolutely an opportunity in 3rd world countries to leapfrog credit card systems, which for a variety of reasons don't work in these environments.…

That is (genuinely) a great point, but I would ask what this mobile currency is based on - the country's currency? Is it mined like bitcoin? Processing payments via mobile phone bills is a different beast than creating a new currency, IMHO...but then again, maybe I am not understanding these companies correctly. :)

you may not have heard of m-pesa - which arose out of people being able to transfer mobile minutes and then became a fully fledge mobile currency in it's own right.. as xtrumanx says (below) m-pesa is huge. you might also note that this has already happened ;-)

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

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post #41
post #36

Conceptually, I believe Bitcoins, or some derivative of them, will change the world. However, after writing a 25 page report on the legality of Bitcoins, I'm convinced the US government will view them as "domestic terrorism." Yes, you read that correctly. There are laws that state that anything that can be used to facilitate money laundering OR threaten the US economy is illegal. Don't get me wrong though, I'm one of…

Good thing there are 200+ other countries in the world.

How many of these countries have laws relating to financial intelligence that will make a completely anonymous form of currency illegal to implement? Large companies simply won't be allowed to accept a large quantities of money from anonymous people - it's too perfect for money laundering and parent has a very good point here. Perhaps there's a real opportunity here to start architecting "non-anonymous bitcoin" so government's needs for financial intelligence is appeased.

That being said, there there's still monetary policy to consider. In South Africa, for instance, I suspect Bitcoin would face legal challenges given the strict monetary regulations imposed by the Reserve Bank. Somebody earlier in the thread mentioned MPESA - a mobile payments solution in Kenya, which is also available in South Africa. MPESA grew quickly but growth has a ceiling because it cannot be used for business-to-business transactions, or even for a very class number of business-to-consumer transactions, as the transaction volume limit imposed by the Reserve Bank in these sorts of schemes makes it feasible only for individuals to use.

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

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I'm gonna call it right now: bad idea. It's not about efficiency, it's about convenience. Plus, what makes you think you math is right? Square only takes 2.75%, and also Amazon is a high-volume, low-margin exception. The long tail is low-volume high-margin, and I doubt you will convince people to radically change payment systems for a lousy 3% savings.

Re: Apply with me to YC in the next 3 days and change the world

#50
I don't think alternative currencies have a long-term future. The only reason they exist now is because people and governments in most countries are quite ignorant about technology. Once they become more widely used, they will start causing a whole lot of problems* and will be banned by governments.

The real solutions, in my opinion, have to use real currencies or they will face a severe risk of death by regulation.

* Use for illegal activities.

* Problems with controlling capital flow across national borders.

* Problems with estimating money supply in an economic system etc.

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