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Geographic ‘hot spots’ for cigarette and firearm deaths in the U.S.

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Re: Geographic ‘hot spots’ for cigarette and firearm deaths in the U.S.

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Post by masfuerte »

ct0 wrote: post #31
daniel_iversen wrote: post #11

I think I read somewhere recently that the majority of Americans were in favour of stricter gun reforms, yet no real change I laws seem to happen and all the current presidential candidates over in the US seems to not even dare touch the subject. I find it reprehensible and puzzling how they’ve got this weird relationship with guns, but it’s interesting how often people are using a certain interpretation of their con…

There are 2 schools of thought on the constitution. Living constitutionalists believe that the constitutional adapts or changes and can be fluid based on "modern" beliefs and the interpretation changes to allow for that. Originalists believe the text is strict and not up for debate and that the contract of the constitution is fixed. Most of what we are seeing is based on these 2 ideas in conflict.

That whole debate feels like a distraction. If the majority wants gun control don't debate the meaning of the text, amend it.

Re: Geographic ‘hot spots’ for cigarette and firearm deaths in the U.S.

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Post by CoastalCoder »

netsharc wrote: post #28
daniel_iversen wrote: post #11

I think I read somewhere recently that the majority of Americans were in favour of stricter gun reforms, yet no real change I laws seem to happen and all the current presidential candidates over in the US seems to not even dare touch the subject. I find it reprehensible and puzzling how they’ve got this weird relationship with guns, but it’s interesting how often people are using a certain interpretation of their con…

Seems like, just with many issues in the US, it's become another "The other side is against it, so we're for it!" problem... "Our kids are getting shot up in school, but the Democrats want to ban guns, so we're pro guns, there must be other solutions! Maybe Ivermectin also creates bullet-proof kids!". The opposition also becomes saboteurs because any wins they give the ruling party means the ruling party gets to look…

> Seems like, just with many issues in the US, it's become another "The other side is against it, so we're for it!" problem...

I'm confused by your comment. Your main thesis is worded as though it applies to all U.S. political groups, but the rest of your post seems specifically anti-Republican.

Re: Geographic ‘hot spots’ for cigarette and firearm deaths in the U.S.

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Post by morkalork »

netsharc wrote: post #28
daniel_iversen wrote: post #11

I think I read somewhere recently that the majority of Americans were in favour of stricter gun reforms, yet no real change I laws seem to happen and all the current presidential candidates over in the US seems to not even dare touch the subject. I find it reprehensible and puzzling how they’ve got this weird relationship with guns, but it’s interesting how often people are using a certain interpretation of their con…

Seems like, just with many issues in the US, it's become another "The other side is against it, so we're for it!" problem... "Our kids are getting shot up in school, but the Democrats want to ban guns, so we're pro guns, there must be other solutions! Maybe Ivermectin also creates bullet-proof kids!". The opposition also becomes saboteurs because any wins they give the ruling party means the ruling party gets to look…

You've probably seen it here first hand many times: knee-jerk contrarianism. It will be our undoing.

Re: Geographic ‘hot spots’ for cigarette and firearm deaths in the U.S.

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Post by pierat »

cjensen wrote: post #39

Some random observations on this... 1. The suicide difference between the Mountain & Basin West vs the Great Plains surprises me. I would have expected Wyoming and Nebraska would have been more similar. 2. The gradient across Texas is interesting, particularly the lack of both suicide and smoking death in the southwest part of the state compared to the northeast. 3. Rural Nevada counties, except the northernmost two,…

> 6. Unlabeled graphs are a sin. What is the definition of "hot spot?" And why is it hidden from the casual reader?

Given that hidden fact, along with conflating firearm assaults vs suicide, tells me there's a definite bias of the story provided.

Suicide is usually a last resort to life when faced with either hard to undo things, or impossible to undo things.

I haven't dug much into this, but my guess it's something to do with the group that correlated this. But again, I find displays like this suspect.

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Post by fbdab103 »

cjensen wrote: post #39

Some random observations on this... 1. The suicide difference between the Mountain & Basin West vs the Great Plains surprises me. I would have expected Wyoming and Nebraska would have been more similar. 2. The gradient across Texas is interesting, particularly the lack of both suicide and smoking death in the southwest part of the state compared to the northeast. 3. Rural Nevada counties, except the northernmost two,…

Given suicide is relatively rare, I am wondering if this might be an artifact of low absolute population?

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Post by ianai »

mortureb wrote: post #8
ghayes wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The graph is, in a large way, an inversion of population density.

That’s one correlation but it seems like that conjecture doesn’t extend to Florida or Texas.

It’s a correlation but the correlation probably wouldn’t be so high. The north east is plenty dense compared to the south east (iirc). I think this really shows a cultural difference amid population and probably other things.

I’ve outside of this heard the South has in someways never really bounced back from the end of slavery. Could be a kind of cultural scar or lack of “infrastructure”. Like how Lincoln’s reconstruction plans never happened and his successor went a quite different direction.

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Post by brobinson »

daniel_iversen wrote: post #11

I think I read somewhere recently that the majority of Americans were in favour of stricter gun reforms, yet no real change I laws seem to happen and all the current presidential candidates over in the US seems to not even dare touch the subject. I find it reprehensible and puzzling how they’ve got this weird relationship with guns, but it’s interesting how often people are using a certain interpretation of their con…

You just need 38 states to agree to amend the Constitution and repeal the 2nd amendment.

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Post by tzs »

ghayes wrote: post #4
mortureb wrote: post #3

The northeast, northwest and south west seem to be doing something very right.

The graph is, in a large way, an inversion of population density.

For firearm suicides it sort of is, but not really so much for the rest. I'm looking at the density map here [1].

[1] https://vividmaps.com/us-population-density/

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