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How the fentanyl crisis' fourth wave has hit every corner of the US

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Even the Portuguese model has had mixed success at best

My understanding is that the Portuguese model was going along pretty well until fentanyl came along.

I shared this understanding. I'd be curious to hear where GP's understanding differs.

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My wife has pre-cancerous moles and every few years some need to be removed. This year it was done - and they told her to take Advil for 6 inch long incisions on her back. In the past? Pain pills like Oxicotin - which they are now afraid to prescribe. So she’s dealt w 2 weeks of agony as she heals. American medicine is cruel.

>American medicine is cruel. I'm pretty sure if I asked any Norwegian doctor for opioids after a mole removal I'd be laughed out of the office.

It sounds like Op’s wife is having more than a mole being frozen off. He references a 6” incision.

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Just to get an impression for the scale, the paper that is linked in the article shows that there were ~40000 deaths due to overdose in 2010 and a bit more than 100000 deaths in 2021. So this is not just fentanyl becoming a larger part of the portion of deaths, but a very significant increase in total deaths as well.

Minor nitpick: when you provide figures in the multiple thousands, it really improves readability if you use the thousand separator (40000 -> 40,000, and even more so 100000 -> 100,000). Thanks.

To be fair in many parts of the world 40000 and 100000 is written like this 40.000 and 100.000. So it may confuse non Americans.

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>American medicine is cruel. I'm pretty sure if I asked any Norwegian doctor for opioids after a mole removal I'd be laughed out of the office.

It sounds like Op’s wife is having more than a mole being frozen off. He references a 6” incision.

I think Op meant six 1" incisions(hence the plural), but I could be mistaken.

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This is how foreign agents able to slowly destroy America. It is the people that make a country and not the land. Unalive the native and flood it with "specific" immigrants. Given how incompetent America congress is for the past 3 decades, we are seeing the beginning of fall of Rome unfolding in our lifetime. What a time to live in. Is like given a chance to see destruction of Spanish Armada or sack of Rome....defini…

What specific immigrants do you mean? Most of the immigrants I'm aware of work in kitchens and construction sites or the skilled ones in software or medicine. Most of the people I see calling for ever more power and wealth for the plutocrats who would sell the nation for scrap are natives who want a piece of that action.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor nitpick: when you provide figures in the multiple thousands, it really improves readability if you use the thousand separator (40000 -> 40,000, and even more so 100000 -> 100,000). Thanks.

To be fair in many parts of the world 40000 and 100000 is written like this 40.000 and 100.000. So it may confuse non Americans.

I've seen a trend of using spaces (40 000) for this reason.

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Fentanyl is one of the few drugs I can buy all the anti-drug propaganda on given the insane death rate compared to other drugs (I remember meth being advertised on tv as deadly)[1]. But it's the direct result of making alternatives harder to get and harder to produce. [1] https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overd...

It is a direct result of the drug war...

Legalize all drugs, disempower doctors from being gatekeepers and allow anyone to get anything they want at any time, aside from age restrictions and things like antibiotics (which can contribute to making bacteria more robust and dangerous).

Testable, trackable access to all drugs, without any stigma of illegality. This removes all incentive for adulterated substances, gives access to drug users to therapy / rehab / services without risk of law enforcement, provides for new classes of business around safe use locations (bars for alcohol, new kinds if bars for you name it), taxable revenue streams (which would still be cheaper than black markets for consumers), reduced medical costs (if you know what you need, why spend $500 seeing a doctor? An AI is cheaper and more effective here anyway) -- oh, and it actually wins the drug war against cartels and gangsters. The list goes on, but sounds kind of dumb to me not to do this?

Fentanyl would be a non-issue, along with a host of other issues. We would switch to new issues that live in the light, and we could actively work on them suddenly.

Freedom solves most of our invented issues. Controlling the will of people introduces all sorts of insidious complications. I wonder why that is?

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Fentanyl is one of the few drugs I can buy all the anti-drug propaganda on given the insane death rate compared to other drugs (I remember meth being advertised on tv as deadly)[1]. But it's the direct result of making alternatives harder to get and harder to produce. [1] https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overd...

It is a direct result of the drug war... Legalize all drugs, disempower doctors from being gatekeepers and allow anyone to get anything they want at any time, aside from age restrictions and things like antibiotics (which can contribute to making bacteria more robust and dangerous). Testable, trackable access to all drugs, without any stigma of illegality. This removes all incentive for adulterated substances, gives…

You have to fund rehabilitation for addiction if you're going to open those flood gates. I'm all about legalization, but we need to follow Portugal's lead on this as they saw a major drop in overall drug use.

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I don’t think you’ll find anyone to argue that they were.

Unfortunately, my understanding is that some companies found a _lot_ of people to argue exactly that - if anything, to create plenty of value for the shareholder.

And who are the shareholders at the end of the day? The same people taking the pills.

Edit: I’m talking about the elderly and their 401ks / pensions and retirement all invested in these types of companies.

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My wife has pre-cancerous moles and every few years some need to be removed. This year it was done - and they told her to take Advil for 6 inch long incisions on her back. In the past? Pain pills like Oxicotin - which they are now afraid to prescribe. So she’s dealt w 2 weeks of agony as she heals. American medicine is cruel.

>American medicine is cruel. I'm pretty sure if I asked any Norwegian doctor for opioids after a mole removal I'd be laughed out of the office.

Right on. My wife had some tremendous neck pain for days when we lived I Germany. Something that here in Mexico would have been treated by ibuprofen , until it receded.

The German doctor basically redered her to a masseur (sp?) Prescribing massages until the pain subsided. After some days, it did.

The culture of "quick fix" for everything that we have adopted in some western countries is biting us back.

That's why you have so many unhealthy people (like overweight or even diabetic people who dont want to do any kind of effort so prefer to be filled with pills)

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