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Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by tetha »

eterm wrote: post #66
ateng wrote: post #20

Could you delay the large screens, commentaries, and live broadcast by 3-5 seconds (or more) such that any information gained from leaked noise would have minimal impact to the players? This would make ANS headphones viable

This isn't feasible. Riot tried this with League of Legends and the result was that you'd get players jumping up celebrating 30 seconds before the audience saw the nexus falling, which was incredibly anti-climactic. Imagine if you were watching tennis and halfway through match point you suddenly see the player celebrating. To be fair, most of the time it's GG well before the nexus actually falls, but it's sometimes m…

This was an entirely weird thing at the last soccer world cup, or the one before that: TV via Satellite, Video streams and TV via DVB-T had different transmission delays, with up to 15 - 20 seconds of delay between them. As such, the people across the street started cheering first, then the goal would show on our screen and a bit after that the people across from the balcony out back started cheering.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by matrss »

Cyph0n wrote: post #48
jack_pp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, can't really compare a fairly complex computer game where you need to actively play in order to even understand the stream with a.. checks Wikipedia.. 2000 year old game with simple enough rules that you can watch without any knowledge. Football also has the advantage of a fixed rule set. I've played over 4000 hours of dota in my life but none in the last 12 months. I've tried watching it on twitch and the map…

That’s why I’m of the opinion that CS is the best spectator esport out there. The rounds are short and the overall barrier to entry for a viewer to enjoy the game is low, yet the skill ceiling is extremely high. Edit: If you’re not familiar with CS, try tuning in to the ESL stream and see how much you understand: https://www.twitch.tv/eslcs

Makes sense. Trackmania would fit that bill as well: it's just racing, but most often without the burden of following real-world physics too much, which can make it very entertaining.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by kzrdude »

december456 wrote: post #22
kzrdude wrote: post #14

Unfortunately, they serve a machine translated version of the blog text. Well, I don't even know. The language is technically correct I guess, but completely without life and using expressions that one would use in english. That's not bad for an automatic translation.

You sure about the machine part? While a surprise, it was one of the better localizations i have experienced in the world wide web.

I'm sure that this is a very low quality text - I was reading the Swedish language version. It has technical qualities similar to human language which makes it harder to pinpoint the problem, but it does not read like something a proficient writer would create.

It is translating too literally, preserving almost every word from the original (while adapting sentence structure) and that's maybe the thing I can most easily pinpoint. Colloquial phrasing like "We also had these enormous PCs that Nvidia had lent us" is preserved by translating literally instead of choosing an equivalent level of conversational language but more natural word choice.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Aachen »

pototo666 wrote: post #90
Aachen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but what's this showing? Someone walks with paper in their hands, that's what you're referring to, but did this have an effect in some way that was noticeable later in the tournament that isn't shown in the clip? It seems like a joke to bring a stack of papers to a computer tournament, not something to trick the other team into thinking... what, exactly?

context: at Ti8's final, Team LGD played against Team OG. During the draft phase, OG players had some paper, which were statistics of LGD (I guess). Somnus the player said: Ceb is holding a bunch of paper. https://youtu.be/abEDXaPyIOE?t=15 . In that final, LGD almost won but they lost at the end. That final is arguably the best final in Dota2 history. The moment when Somuns taunted OG was captured by True Sight, whic…

Thanks for that context! That explains

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Retric »

doikor wrote: post #65
ufo wrote: post #59

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And to add to that, Dota e-sports is particularly insular among other e-sports: https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2015/02/04/visual-mapping-of-twitc...

Dota players play/watch Dota. Similar thing also applies to country strike players. At least this is the experience in my circle of friends. Got a couple friends who have pretty much only played Dota (or CS) for the last 15+ years and have 0 interest in even trying any other game. There is also the crowd (including me) who play video games in general but these are very clearly different groups. So this is like saying…

Most football fans I know watch other sports, often basketball. If for no other reason than the season is fairly short.

Dora is insular in large part because it’s always available.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by spatulon »

donatj wrote: post #27

I don’t really get esports or regular sports for that matter, but this seems like overkill? How much of an advantage could they really get from someone yelling at them in the audience? With a decent audience they are rarely going to hear anything other than a din anyway. Doesn’t seem like much more of an advantage than people yelling things at baseball players? Seems like it could just be part of the calculation of t…

Two problems that have occurred in recent times when Dota tournaments have not used booths:

- the crowd whistling to tell their favourite team that the enemy team is making some kind of secret play (e.g. taking Roshan, or using a smoke).

- clearly hearing the play-by-play commentary that's being played to the crowd over the arena's loudspeakers, which can also give away information about what the enemy team's doing.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by OhSoHumble »

donatj wrote: post #27

I don’t really get esports or regular sports for that matter, but this seems like overkill? How much of an advantage could they really get from someone yelling at them in the audience? With a decent audience they are rarely going to hear anything other than a din anyway. Doesn’t seem like much more of an advantage than people yelling things at baseball players? Seems like it could just be part of the calculation of t…

Dota players have ears that are trained for keywords. For example, the game has a minimap. Players can buy items to keep the minimap revealed and to see the movement of enemy players. The enemy team can buy an item to make it so that they aren't revealed on the minimap while they move around. This is known as "smoking" - as the item is a smoke that explodes over the team before they make their movement.

If a caster yells out "they're smoking" and the entire audience hushes in anticipation then one team knows that the other is trying to make a play and can either group up or avoid the fight.

The International is a tournament where the prevailing team wins millions and millions of dollars. Sound isolation is really important to provide an even playing field.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by h2odragon »

flangola7 wrote: post #79
Synaesthesia wrote: post #35

Wow they went as far as multiple layers of glass with argon pumped between them!

Wouldn't a vacuum between be better?

Yes, but then you have the danger of implosion and shards of glass flying everywhere.

That's a different kinda spectator sport.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Ntrails »

ricardobeat wrote: post #81
flangola7 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No self respecting gamer calls mobile apps true games. No one who gets excited about video game development wants to work on candy crush v400

You might think that, but the “not self respecting” mobile and console gamers out there outnumber you 3:1. Some of the most popular games have been PUBG, Fortnite, Rainbow Six, Roblox… I don’t play on mobile myself but you can’t deny this new reality.

The growth of mobile gaming in regions that used to be dominated by LAN cafe based gaming is super interesting. Most of the previously buzzing gaming hubs died during covid. PC Gaming equipment is extortionate, even in higher net worth areas, phones are ubiquitous anyway
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