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Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by fsloth »

mywacaday wrote: post #21
mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

There's part of me thinks just let the worst happen and let it end half of humanity, that way we might learn to live more in harmony with our environment. Currently we're a pox on this planet.

"let it end half of humanity"

You do realize that would be mostly the half whose nations had nothing to with this mess in the first place, right? The rich well of nations of northern hemisphere will not suffer dramatic population falls (just the slow, endemic kind from low birth rate).

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by OJFord »

foota wrote: post #20
myshpa wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We increased crop yields multifold already With catastrophic effects. https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/research-news/2... All planetary boundaries mapped out for the first time, six of nine crossed https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320356605_Agricultu... Agriculture production as a major driver of the Earth system exceeding planetary boundaries Most of it is because of animal agriculture - it use…

Your two quotes don't follow: > We increased crop yields multifold already With catastrophic effects. > Most of it is because of animal agriculture.

I misread that at first too, but animal agriculture. i.e. stuff grown for fodder. It's more efficient to fuel a human on food grown in the ground than on an animal fed on food grown in the ground.

(I'm not vegan or otherwise promoting absolutes, it's just easier to explain/understand in the extreme I think.)

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by weinzierl »

If you want to show a trend, give us a diagram that shows a trend. A scatter plot with a trend line would be a start, maybe.

One can equally interpret the diagram from the article as showing a fairly constant level - somewhat varying within a limited range - with 2023 being an outlier. All it tells about is the variance and without at least more year labels there is no way to read anything about the trend from it.

[I'm not saying the article is wrong or right, just that it does a very bad job supporting its thesis.]

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by myshpa »

edhelas wrote: post #10
mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

STOP thinking that planting trees will solve the problem. We need to plan _forests_ not trees. Trees are not tools to fix our CO2 problem, we need to restore ecosystems and think how we can regrow forests and not monocultures of a "super CO2 capture tree". When we will start to understand that one problem != one solution, especially when it comes to things as intricate and complex than ecosystems we will start to und…

Agree completely.

Just a note that monoculture plantations don't function the same way as vast, diverse, multi-level primeval forests, with regards to a water cycle and biodiversity.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by EForEndeavour »

fsloth wrote: post #38
wallhack wrote: post #33

Vote out any policy maker who impedes the response to climate change. This is not something we fix as individuals, with feel-good home solutions, recycling, or planting trees. Large industry is destroying our world, on purpose, because of greed. This only gets fixed through policy and regulation. Vote.

Given this is a discussion forum with global reach your suggestion on implementing change to global industrial policy via voting may or may not be viable (not everyone gets to vote, and most of the countries lack global impac. US is really unique along with few other countries being able to influence global industry trends).

Good point, but I don't think it changes the validity of encouraging participation in democratic process where possible. Perfect is the enemy of good.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by gonzo41 »

mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

Undewater kelp forests are where we should be aiming. There's a lot of researching happening here atm. Seaweed can grow 40X faster than a tree because it doesn't have to fight as hard against gravity. So growing large biomass in the oceans seems like a great way to sink carbon.

Also closing the loop on plastics.

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by dgan »

wallhack wrote: post #33

Vote out any policy maker who impedes the response to climate change. This is not something we fix as individuals, with feel-good home solutions, recycling, or planting trees. Large industry is destroying our world, on purpose, because of greed. This only gets fixed through policy and regulation. Vote.

You are implying there are candidates who do not impede response to climate change: even the Greens are against nuclear, which in my understanding, is totally unproductive.

They are also still debating "décroissance", that is "de-growth".

I find crazy that no one even mentionned the word "efficiency" as in "we might not need all the resources we consume to produce everything we do today. Let's set a realistic efficiency goals and try to achieve them"

Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by unpopular42 »

wallhack wrote: post #33

Vote out any policy maker who impedes the response to climate change. This is not something we fix as individuals, with feel-good home solutions, recycling, or planting trees. Large industry is destroying our world, on purpose, because of greed. This only gets fixed through policy and regulation. Vote.

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Re: Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts

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Post by nobody9999 »

mywacaday wrote: post #21
mg wrote: post #5

Could we breed trees which capture more CO2? We increased crop yields multifold already: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields So maybe we can do the same to carbon yield? Are trees the plants which capture most CO2 per hectare?

There's part of me thinks just let the worst happen and let it end half of humanity, that way we might learn to live more in harmony with our environment. Currently we're a pox on this planet.

>There's part of me thinks just let the worst happen and let it end half of humanity

Good idea. Why don't you start with yourself?

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