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Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by toasterblender »

st-keller wrote: post #3

Interesting - didn‘t notice that. I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old. I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore, and furniture has to outlive me. I always thought this is reasonable and that everyone would do it that way: Always having high quality stuff, saving money instead of wasting it by continuously buying cheap things…

> I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old.

> I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore

There have been many cases of Apple deploying planned obsolescence - intentionally crippling devices to get people to buy new models. So I wouldn't call Apple products that 'quality stuff'.

I base decisions on quality products based on how good they function, how long they last, and how easy and straightforward they are to repair yourself. Apple checks absolutely none of those boxes.

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by st-keller »

otikik wrote: post #7
st-keller wrote: post #3

Interesting - didn‘t notice that. I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old. I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore, and furniture has to outlive me. I always thought this is reasonable and that everyone would do it that way: Always having high quality stuff, saving money instead of wasting it by continuously buying cheap things…

No, you are doing the rich man thing; the rich man can afford to buy a $20 pair of boots which lasts 5 years. The poor man can only afford the low-quality $6 pair which lasts a year.

Maybe, but are they rich because they do it, or the other way around? Buying quality stuff is possible without being rich: Most of my friends in school had their fourth walkman before i had my first one (worked for 30+ years btw).

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by st-keller »

IMRC21 wrote: post #9
st-keller wrote: post #3

Interesting - didn‘t notice that. I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old. I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore, and furniture has to outlive me. I always thought this is reasonable and that everyone would do it that way: Always having high quality stuff, saving money instead of wasting it by continuously buying cheap things…

> keeping a phone if the one I have doesn't get any updates anymore This is actually a nice way of knowing when to change phone

And it’s fun too: The new phone is usually way better than the old one! The only downside is, that for 2 out of 4-5 years, the quality of my fotos are not state-of-the-art.

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by searealist »

otikik wrote: post #7
st-keller wrote: post #3

Interesting - didn‘t notice that. I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old. I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore, and furniture has to outlive me. I always thought this is reasonable and that everyone would do it that way: Always having high quality stuff, saving money instead of wasting it by continuously buying cheap things…

No, you are doing the rich man thing; the rich man can afford to buy a $20 pair of boots which lasts 5 years. The poor man can only afford the low-quality $6 pair which lasts a year.

Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by bigbinary »

searealist wrote: post #14
otikik wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are doing the rich man thing; the rich man can afford to buy a $20 pair of boots which lasts 5 years. The poor man can only afford the low-quality $6 pair which lasts a year.

Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.

There’s definitely a point of diminishing returns, but boots from Ross can cost about $45, while a $300 pair of red wings would last a lifetime, if maintained properly. A pair of $1000 boots are definitely beyond that line and will also last a lifetime, while costing 3.3x more

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by convolvatron »

searealist wrote: post #14
otikik wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are doing the rich man thing; the rich man can afford to buy a $20 pair of boots which lasts 5 years. The poor man can only afford the low-quality $6 pair which lasts a year.

Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.

I have worn the same 3 pairs of wesco boots for 25 years, and expect them to last at least another 25. working alot of that time as a metal fabricator. 1 is one its last legs, 1 is ok, and 1 is nearly new.

I hope they're still in business.

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by swalling »

bigbinary wrote: post #15
searealist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.

There’s definitely a point of diminishing returns, but boots from Ross can cost about $45, while a $300 pair of red wings would last a lifetime, if maintained properly. A pair of $1000 boots are definitely beyond that line and will also last a lifetime, while costing 3.3x more

There are several brands of boots like this. I have a pair of Red Wing boots that I purchased new in 2013 (I don’t remember the price but today they are $350). Unlike most other modern sneakers or boots, they are made so that the soles be replaced, which I have done once for $100. Other than this, the only consumable part is shoelaces. With maintenance of the leather, it is completely expected for these boots to outlive me.

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by searealist »

swalling wrote: post #17
bigbinary wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s definitely a point of diminishing returns, but boots from Ross can cost about $45, while a $300 pair of red wings would last a lifetime, if maintained properly. A pair of $1000 boots are definitely beyond that line and will also last a lifetime, while costing 3.3x more

There are several brands of boots like this. I have a pair of Red Wing boots that I purchased new in 2013 (I don’t remember the price but today they are $350). Unlike most other modern sneakers or boots, they are made so that the soles be replaced, which I have done once for $100. Other than this, the only consumable part is shoelaces. With maintenance of the leather, it is completely expected for these boots to outl…

$350/3.3 is $106. Do you expect these boots to last 5x longer than $106 boots?

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by tru3_power »

st-keller wrote: post #3

Interesting - didn‘t notice that. I‘m only buying quality stuff and stick to it as long a possible. Most of my cloth are years old. I’m buying a new iPhone if the one i have doesn’t get any updates anymore, and furniture has to outlive me. I always thought this is reasonable and that everyone would do it that way: Always having high quality stuff, saving money instead of wasting it by continuously buying cheap things…

How do you go about finding quality furniture?

Re: Why everything you buy is worse now [video]

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Post by searealist »

bigbinary wrote: post #15
searealist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me the boots that are 3.3x more expensive but last 5x as long. When buying new, it's very rare that buying expensive actually saves you money.

There’s definitely a point of diminishing returns, but boots from Ross can cost about $45, while a $300 pair of red wings would last a lifetime, if maintained properly. A pair of $1000 boots are definitely beyond that line and will also last a lifetime, while costing 3.3x more

$300/3.3 is $90. Do you think those boots will last 5x longer than $90 boots?
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