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Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Just because you can't run whatever software you like on it, does not make it non-general purpose CPU.

My definition of "general purpose" is that that you can "run whatever software you like on it". If you can't run whatever on it, that restricts the CPU to a "specific purpose", no?

Cant I write whatever code I want and run it on the A chips through MacOS?

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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“new architecture on new process node almost as fast as competitor’s flagship from a year prior, from two process nodes ago” power efficiency aside (which admittedly is non-trivial), this is not that big a deal or particularly interesting, imo.

The Raptor lake refresh doesn’t seem to add much onto the 13900

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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I find articles like this really vexing because this isn't a general-purpose CPU, it's just a chip meant to run the software that Apple allows on the App Store. Most of the software I use day-to-day can't run on it by design. It's kind of depressing that the most advanced mobile CPU technology (that can only be fabbed by a single company in a far-away country) is monopolized by a company that heavily restricts the so…

For practical purposes, it will be largely the same chip as the M3, which will be used in general purpose computers.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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I find articles like this really vexing because this isn't a general-purpose CPU, it's just a chip meant to run the software that Apple allows on the App Store. Most of the software I use day-to-day can't run on it by design. It's kind of depressing that the most advanced mobile CPU technology (that can only be fabbed by a single company in a far-away country) is monopolized by a company that heavily restricts the so…

I’m glad someone else feels this way. I absolutely hate those YouTube videos talking about the “4K 30min total render” bs. Show me a M-chip MacBook that doesn’t balk when running Docker, or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. Sure the chips are fast when they run the stuff Apple designed for it, but they don’t seem any faster to me in my work. I will give them efficiency though. I love not having to carry t…

> or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm.

It'd be worth checking that you're not using an Intel version of WebStorm. I've personally found IntelliJ (largely the same thing as WebStorm) on the M1 to be _extremely_ fast, certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the old Intel Macs. That's the native version, though; via Rosetta it is absolutely painful (the JVM is close to a worst-case for Rosetta).

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.

Moreso than the noise, the touchbar at the back can become too hot to touch and the plastic strip around the screen, where MacBook Pro is printed, is bubbling and peeling away with the heat.

I love how apple considers my skin part of the cooling solution. If it wasn't for legal limits, they would absolutely just burn people, sell a laptop cooling mat for $100, and tell people they are using laptops wrong.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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iPhone 13 Pro, with A15 Bionic, scored around 2250 Geekbench 6 single core. M2 Max, more-so around 2800. These two chips are comparable because they use the same microarchitecture, and it indicates a ~20-25% uplift in single core mostly just through pushing more power through the chip. If they can drive the same increase with an M3 chip based on the A17 Pro microarchitecture, a single-core score of 3500 is within rea…

The 7900x3d has the same performance but uses 50w less than the 7900x

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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iPhone 13 Pro, with A15 Bionic, scored around 2250 Geekbench 6 single core. M2 Max, more-so around 2800. These two chips are comparable because they use the same microarchitecture, and it indicates a ~20-25% uplift in single core mostly just through pushing more power through the chip. If they can drive the same increase with an M3 chip based on the A17 Pro microarchitecture, a single-core score of 3500 is within rea…

I think you meant to say that it cannot be overstated how far ahead Apple is ;)

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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There are different benchmarks one can pick depending on the article they want to write. Geekbench 6 favors Apple CPUs more that Geekbench 5, which was already better on Apple CPUs than say Antutu. Antutu CPU - A16 248335, SnapDragon 8 Gen2 268542 Antutu GPU - A16 394336, SnapDragon 8 Gen 2 580101 If You look at Geekbench 5 scores for A16 and SD8G2, A16 is ahead by less than 10%.

I would suggest you to read this: https://www.antutu.com/en/doc/119646.htm

Isn't this true for literally every cross-platform benchmark? Of course the toolchain, kernel, and graphics API will be different.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming. Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.

Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.

I went from a Core i9 to an M1 Max and it's been a world of difference. Performance is great, it runs my dual 4K screens with scaling (3008x1692, virtual resolution 6016x3384) without a sweat, and the battery lasts forever.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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iPhone 13 Pro, with A15 Bionic, scored around 2250 Geekbench 6 single core. M2 Max, more-so around 2800. These two chips are comparable because they use the same microarchitecture, and it indicates a ~20-25% uplift in single core mostly just through pushing more power through the chip. If they can drive the same increase with an M3 chip based on the A17 Pro microarchitecture, a single-core score of 3500 is within rea…

That sounds overstated. https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-9-7940HS-analysis-Ze... Current laptop AMD chips have about the same efficiency as M2 Pro, when throttled to similar wattage (see the section about 35W). Instead they default to more power and being more powerful, while being vastly cheaper (M2 Pro Mac mini with 32gb of ram and 2tb of SSD costs what?). So yeah, for a laptop chip apple is ahead, but it is…

??? How is this supported by your article? Looking at the only perf/watt benchmark (Cinebench ST), they show:

M2 Pro @ 141 points/watt Ryzen 9 7940HS @ 47 points/watt

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