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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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“asymmetric information warfare” I think that’s a great term in explaining how “the free market” doesn’t work.

The "free" in "free market" refers in part to free flow of information. Surfacing information about prices is kind of the point of a market. It's a mechanism that assigns prices "automatically" (as contrasted with central planning, etc.)

I don't know much about economics but I know, or think I know, that much.)

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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The Austrian inflation problem is easily answered: wage inflation (collective bargaining agreements), paired with high gas costs, paired with many inflation linked contracts such as rents. Many of these feed back into the inflation basked and just make inflation quite sticky.

High gas prices are not a thing anymore: It is about EU average: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/bef444e2-... Interesting fact when looking at the data: Many countries with a "high" inflation right now have very low gas prices.

I cannot judge what "EU average" is. I can only tell you that the gas price that a household customer pays today is still twice than it was before this crisis and that is reflected in wholesale prices if you compare the cost of gas in Austria compared to 2020 and earlier.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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[dupe]

The title of the original submission is just “Inflation in Austria” [1], it did not spark my interest.

This submission caught my eye because of its more descriptive title and the mention of scraping.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37530314

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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This is a great thread, and it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens.

>it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens Consumers in Austria who travel abroad/to Germany often, already knew they were getting scammed for a long time now, but couldn't prove it and now they can, so the more important question is what will come out of it, as the data shows the big retailers clearly cooperating on price fixing. My guess, nothing, as the government regulators who are supposed to watch over…

> Well, about 6 years ago, the 3 big telecom operators in Austria raised the prices together at the exact same time, and the government body in charge of overseeing these things said they have no proof that the 3 operators colluded together for price fixing and it could just be a coincidence, case closed.

I would love a citation for that.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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I guess what he meant was that big retailers colluded to increase prices simultaneously together in lock-step for no reason other than greed and profiteering, and simply blamed it on the Russo-Ukrainian war as being the reason for prices exploding.

I believe the OP was referring to Far-right, pro-Russia parties getting their 'come-uppance' by the rest of the world, but I'd really like to know more details about that. Not that I doubt that big corporations would use the Russia excuse whenever/wherever they can - I mean, who wouldn't - but I'd just like to see the details that tie the inflation to support of Russia a bit more clearly laid out.

Pro-Russian wing in EU forbid import of cheap Ukrainian food into EU as a kind of sanctions against Ukraine, which caused the spike in food prices.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Is there any evidence that Austrian supermarket owners have long reaped outsize profit margins?

There is evidence that the prices they charge in Austria are often significantly higher than in Germany, meaning higher profits per sale, at the expense of the consumer who's wages are lower than those in Germany, so it's a double whammy.

> There is evidence that the prices they charge in Austria are often significantly higher than in Germany

The cost of doing business in Austria is significantly higher for supermarkets. On the one hand because Austria has many more supermarkets to begin with per chain, secondly because of the high cost of labor in the country. Comparing countries that way is not trivial.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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In the US, many times you cannot compare prices between cities much less states due to differences in land price and costs of city and state taxes/regulations such as minimum wages. Surely, Austria and Germany, as two different countries, have at least a few big differences in tax systems/labor laws/local laws/etc that can affect cost of goods sold?

The retailers have been questioned regularly why they overcharge in Austria compared to Germany, and they never cited extra wages(lower than Germany FYI), business or tax overhead as the reason, but rather beat it around the bush saying "we're only charging what the market will bare and this is what the Austrian market bares", basically admitting they're screwing you and getting away with it, especially that they oft…

That does not reflect actual reality. Retailers have answered plenty times why they are charging higher prices in Austria compared to Germany and the arguments are hard to ignore (higher cost of doing business, higher taxes, higher density of super markets, more rural delivery requirements etc.).

Specifically on that point:

> extra wages(lower than Germany FYI)

That is incorrect, the cost of an employee in the grocery space per hours worked is still higher in Austria than Germany, quite meaningfully so.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Truly shows how Free Markets are the most efficient

What are the profit margins for Austrian retailers? In the US, all the retailers earn razor thin profit margins (except Home Depot/Lowes), indicating if prices were lower, the businesses would fail, or at best become charities. Edit: for the one Austrian retailer I could find numbers for, they are not pretty. Not sure how the retailer can lower prices without going out of business if they already have sub 1% profit m…

We're talking about grocery stores here, not just general retailers. I have a really hard time believing that US grocery stores are operating on razor-thin margins here, given how extremely expensive groceries are (when adjusting for income, other cost of living etc.) compared to e.g. Germany.

One problem of the Austrian grocery store market is that there's just way too many branches per capita (compared to the otherwise pretty similar market of Germany again), which brings down margins.

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