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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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> Then we also got German and Slovenian stores. Do they mean foreign companies operating in Austria, or separate DBs/web sites for other countries? (The forks[1] don't have legible names) I'd love to see a New Zealand one, as we have a big problem right now with rising cost of living and lots of suspicion of shenanigans. [1] https://github.com/badlogic/heissepreise/forks

You are hinting towards the bigger issue here. Yes, this guy has looked through the crack in the matrix, but the fact that inflation is impacting prices all over the western world directly and elsewhere indirectly has nothing to do with pricing shenanigans of the oligopolies.

These are issues that not even perfectly regulated and perfectly competitive markets could change, if that were even possible. These are systemic monetary, political, governmental issues.

I hate to break it to people, we are currently only in a lull where some may feel localized price increase pressure relief, but that is just a temporary condition.

The things that have been done, especially over the last several years, cannot be done without suffering the inevitable consequences, regardless of how much one did not consider them or wants to believe that they are starting to grip.

Unfortunately for people this is only the beginning of this roller coaster; and most here and in the subject mastodon thread are part of a social strata that is only affected in limited degrees. There are people who worked all their lives with a promise of a pension, only to find out that they get half of what some “refugee” and “immigrant” gets that hates them and is violating their indigenous society and culture. They have something like $/€1500/month and see their cost of living going up a compounded ~30% over five years while the government/pension masters keep promising an eventual 2% pension/retirement/social security increase.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Truly shows how Free Markets are the most efficient

If food and housing gets too expensive, then sorry mate, nothing we can do about it, that's just how the free market™ works, try working harder. But when labor gets too expensive pushing wages up, then it's no longer the free market, but it's a "labor shortage" catastrophe all over the media and we have to shed tears about the poor business owners wo can't afford a second Porsche, so immigration gets turbocharged unt…

Then when wages do come down and questions get put to politicians and the central bankers about the lack of wage growth they shrug their shoulders and act confused like it's some unsolvable math problem.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Which explains why inflation in countires like Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Luxembourg are all under 2.5% as they famously don't use the Euro.

As someone in Spain: those numbers are absolutely fake.

(That's the point they're trying to make btw)

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Isn't that the June 2023 inflation numbers? How do they include increased natural gas prices doing winter months?

They don’t. We’re far away both from the previous and upcoming winter. Are you saying that during winter Austria is going to be doing worse than others?

Don't think so. The storage capacities in Austria are rather big compared to other countries. In contrast to last year the gas storage facilities are already filled to the brim.

Europe wide gas storage information: https://agsi.gie.eu/#/

Ownership information for gas stored in for Austria: https://www.e-control.at/gas/gasmarkt/speicher/speicherstaen...

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Supermarkets are colluding to increase prices as all companies are wont to do. There isn’t enough competition to act as downward pressure on prices. This isn’t a monetary thing that YouTube says - the goods a few miles away in Germany aren’t seeing this, despite being in the same currency and no difficulty transporting them. In a free market a competitor would buy from the same supplier the german supermarket does, u…

>However that doesn’t work because consumers in Austria don’t realise how they are being ripped off Oh, they have known for a long time they were being ripped off but didn't have the proof. There's nothing they can do about it because the corrupt politicians claim it's just the free market and can't intervine with the market pricing otherwise it would be communism, and Austrian consumers who don't live close to Germa…

Is there any evidence that Austrian supermarket owners have long reaped outsize profit margins?

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This is a great thread, and it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens.

>it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens Consumers in Austria who travel abroad/to Germany often, already knew they were getting scammed for a long time now, but couldn't prove it and now they can, so the more important question is what will come out of it, as the data shows the big retailers clearly cooperating on price fixing. My guess, nothing, as the government regulators who are supposed to watch over…

If the retail stores are price fixing then why are their stock prices down so much this year? Their investors are getting savaged. What did they do with all this extra cashflow?

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To check price of items in Austria, the website is here: https://heisse-preise.io/ Browsing around, the prices look very reasonable and inexpensive to me. For example, 500 g bag of peanuts is 4.59 euros, the price has fluctuated between 3.39 to 5.59 euros over the years. Peanuts name is “Kelly's Erdnüsse geröstet & gesalzen”

I'm Austrian. This is insanely expensive.

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Pro-Russian right-wing parties in Europe are blaming inflation on our sanctions on Russia. If that was the case Hungary and Austria would not be the the countries that are worst affected by inflation.

The situation in Austria is fundamentally different than in Hungary. In Hungary the government kept prices of energy and food down by law for quite some time when everywhere else prices where rising. What they see now is the catch-up effect after those restrictions fell. I actually do not know what is the reason why the Austrian inflation is still that high. Energy prices as are like before covid, but food prices kee…

The Austrian inflation problem is easily answered: wage inflation (collective bargaining agreements), paired with high gas costs, paired with many inflation linked contracts such as rents. Many of these feed back into the inflation basked and just make inflation quite sticky.

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Austrian inflation and trade with Russia: please explain how this is related? Is it because corporations are being used to put the squeeze on the Austrian people? Sanctions? Because nobody wants to do trade with Austria? In which case, there must surely be examples? I'd love to know a few.

Pro-Russian right-wing parties in Europe are blaming inflation on our sanctions on Russia. If that was the case Hungary and Austria would not be the the countries that are worst affected by inflation.

First, I wouldn't say that Austria is pro-Russian. Neither official politics, nor the majority of the people (with the notable exception of the infamous FPÖ).

Then, it's mostly about infrastructure. While the western parts of the country have broad access to renewable energy, like hydropower, the eastern parts heavily depend on natural gas, with not much of an alternative as far as infrastructure goes.

We may also point out the questionable wisdom of EU politics, announcing prematurely the exit out of then predominant sources of natural gas without having any alternatives already secured or even at hand, nor the bigger infrastructure being able to handle any routes alternative to the established ones at scale, while having a deregulated energy market at the same time. With predictable outcome… (Talk boldly and carry a small twig, as they say.) Some countries are impacted by this more than others, with regard to their traditional energy mix and local climate. (Countries and regions with a continental climate are impacted more than others.)

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That's nice if we forget about the ECB printing money like there's no tomorrow.

Which explains why inflation in countires like Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Luxembourg are all under 2.5% as they famously don't use the Euro.

Denmark, yes, but the others use the euro.
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