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Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by bowsamic »

earthboundkid wrote: post #119
beefpies wrote: post #63

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You don't know anything about this kid. You definitely don't know that what they need in their life is discouragement. Don't conflate their childhood with yours. If a 15 year old wanted to show me a project, and I wanted to help them understand what would improve it, I'd ask them questions and engage them in a Socratic process to lead them that direction. I wouldn't tell them that their work was trash. That would eit…

Who said it was trash? I said there are no new ideas, and it’s not ready for other people to use. Why would you conflate that with “trash”? That’s a perfectly normal, honest assessment. I think you guys are expecting a 15 year old to be treated like a 5 year old. 15 is old enough to make real contributions to open source. Aaron Swartz is the obvious example, but lots of other young people make big contributions. It’s…

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Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by bowsamic »

earthboundkid wrote: post #118
bowsamic wrote: post #73

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You are heavily projecting onto him. You don’t know anything about him and even if you did unless he’s being openly belligerent it’s not your place to fix him Just let people build things. There’s no need to aggressively tear them down. Programming for fun is not serious

You are projecting that people need unconditional affirmation. Why? Normal people can handle mild criticism.

Just because you dislike unconditional affirmation doesn't mean you need to delude yourself into thinking that being a total asshole without provocation is "mild criticism"

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

shrimpx wrote: post #45
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #33

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> Basically the ui layer and the backend layer which and the operational layer need to be combined into one seamless tool. Right now you have the write a "frontend" and a "db connection + backend logic layer". Solving this “problem” just doesn’t seem like a good use of a time. There are now 4738484 different viable ways to build a website, adding another way is just a waste of everyone’s time

I'd argue web dev is largely a solved problem for large complex apps, but largely unsolved for simpler use cases. The problem is the amount of boilerplate and tool complexity involved. In a large project, the boilerplate can become a small fraction of total work put in (hopefully), with most to the work spent expressing the logic of the application. In smaller projects, the boilerplate can be the vast majority of the…

I think there are already plenty of lightweight options for small projects. A static site can be written in HTML + CSS, hosted on GitHub, bundled with Jekyll, and deployed with GitHub actions. Django is super lightweight for small projects that need interactivity.

These two solutions can address all of these examples I can think of for a "simple" site:

- static blog site

- interaction with a database

- interaction with external APIs

- simple games (Django is based in Python)

- more complicated interactivity (pick a language that's compatible with Wasm)

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by shrimpx »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #123
shrimpx wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue web dev is largely a solved problem for large complex apps, but largely unsolved for simpler use cases. The problem is the amount of boilerplate and tool complexity involved. In a large project, the boilerplate can become a small fraction of total work put in (hopefully), with most to the work spent expressing the logic of the application. In smaller projects, the boilerplate can be the vast majority of the…

I think there are already plenty of lightweight options for small projects. A static site can be written in HTML + CSS, hosted on GitHub, bundled with Jekyll, and deployed with GitHub actions. Django is super lightweight for small projects that need interactivity. These two solutions can address all of these examples I can think of for a "simple" site: - static blog site - interaction with a database - interaction wi…

Good points but I think (a) this is a fairly complex stack with moving parts and multiple languages where (b) it's still pretty hard to build something as simple as "when I click this button, it reads something from disk and the webpage updates without reloading".

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by beefpies »

earthboundkid wrote: post #119
beefpies wrote: post #63

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You don't know anything about this kid. You definitely don't know that what they need in their life is discouragement. Don't conflate their childhood with yours. If a 15 year old wanted to show me a project, and I wanted to help them understand what would improve it, I'd ask them questions and engage them in a Socratic process to lead them that direction. I wouldn't tell them that their work was trash. That would eit…

Who said it was trash? I said there are no new ideas, and it’s not ready for other people to use. Why would you conflate that with “trash”? That’s a perfectly normal, honest assessment. I think you guys are expecting a 15 year old to be treated like a 5 year old. 15 is old enough to make real contributions to open source. Aaron Swartz is the obvious example, but lots of other young people make big contributions. It’s…

If you weren't hypercritical, why do you think everyone is reacting as if you were? Either you communicated poorly and came off way differently than your intended, or you aren't being honest with yourself about what you said and what it meant.

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by beefpies »

bowsamic wrote: post #121
earthboundkid wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said it was trash? I said there are no new ideas, and it’s not ready for other people to use. Why would you conflate that with “trash”? That’s a perfectly normal, honest assessment. I think you guys are expecting a 15 year old to be treated like a 5 year old. 15 is old enough to make real contributions to open source. Aaron Swartz is the obvious example, but lots of other young people make big contributions. It’s…

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You were over the line when you called them a sociopath, and I should've called you on it but didn't, but now you are way, way over the line.

To quote you, in what world is this an appropriate comment?

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by justinclift »

29athrowaway wrote: post #16

Python is great when your goal is to have the highest environmental footprint.

As in "least efficient so therefore using the most energy to complete a task"?

I supposed that's one way to judge environmental footprint. Pretty sure the climate activists would be unhappy about it though. ;)

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