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Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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> Their demands come even as wage inflation appears to have hit a peaked, the report said. Does this reference a tech sector-specific wage inflation?

It’s literally propaganda.

You can tell it's propaganda because it's describing market forces as "demands." ;-) Technically workers are the supply, anyway.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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I've found the issue isnt high performing engineers, they're gonna get paid. The issue is middling engineers and junior engineers where before they would expect a 130k-150k salary in a tier 1 city, those offers are gone.

I don't know how the folks just starting out are finding jobs. Seems like no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless it's for pennies and they can work you to the bone.

Don’t identify as a junior. Just say you’re a “software engineer” and don’t put qualifiers that would turn off employers

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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tech workers deserve higher salaries. companies just don't want to pay it. they want you to make as little as possible

> tech workers deserve higher salaries.

That's a loaded statement. Salaries are set based on market conditions.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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I've found the issue isnt high performing engineers, they're gonna get paid. The issue is middling engineers and junior engineers where before they would expect a 130k-150k salary in a tier 1 city, those offers are gone.

I don't know how the folks just starting out are finding jobs. Seems like no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless it's for pennies and they can work you to the bone.

I think that makes sense. so many experienced employees have been laid off that companies don't need to hire newbies any more. Six years I started working for a company that hired 3 senior devs and boatloads of bootcamp grads. for a new project. I doubt that would happen now.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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The number of two-years-of-experience engineers with middling React skills who are demanding a six figure salary, plus additional comp, continues to astound me. I stopped making reasonable offers to them. It was always a waste of time. We just move on now.

And you'll possibly even get talent that is willing to work for your intended price. Good luck.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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post #9

At least in Europe the companies have huge issues finding enough suitable junior engineers, because there are less and less young people. At some point more engineers will retire per year than young ones entering the job market. It looks like the traditionally low salaries for SW engineers in Europe are finally growing a bit.

I imagine there would be plenty of folks willing to come over if the wages at least got into the ballpark of the US. My impression is that the visa/residency process isn’t too onerous if you’re coming over with a job. Close the gap enough and it’s worth it for many, with quality of life stuff taking up the slack. But it can’t be too large, because tech workers can afford quality of life in the US too - it’s just purchased a la carte with the higher salary.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how the folks just starting out are finding jobs. Seems like no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless it's for pennies and they can work you to the bone.

By never saying you are a junior. Some people figure it out. Contract, make an LLC for more contracting, call that LLC experience, interview as senior engineer.

It's easier to do this nowadays. If you are smart, hard working, after a year and with AI in your pocket it should be easier than ever to work like someone with 3 years in a given space.

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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Meanwhile: "In November, Jay Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, said the labour force was 3.5mn workers shy of pre-pandemic forecasts. He said 2mn of the shortfall could be due to more people retiring early." and "Long-term demand for tech talent is not expected to abate. Based on its digital ambitions the EU alone wants 20mn technology specialists, which compares with the 9mn it had in 2021."[1] Seems like th…

We had more than 1 million, mostly older experienced workers die from covid. Why is anyone surprised we have a labor shortage?

Re: Tech workers demand high salaries despite hiring slowdown

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Not just tech workers. 24 year old non-technical product managers at FAANG companies are demanding $190,000 salaries.

As a European I wish more FAANG companies started hiring software engineers remotely. The only American companies that have offered me remote jobs with FAANG tier salaries were cryptobro startups.

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