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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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All types of documents go into a paperless ngx. All documents are tagged properly so that I can find them again. Also the search worked quite well so far. I’m still archiving the previous years currently, as I set up everything this year. Backups via restic end up on backblaze. Haven’t gotten around to set up the local backup. This is a good reminder to do so. :) The photos end up in iCloud and Adobe with a backup in…

Same here, paperless changed my life. At my previous place I was also using one of the services where you get assigned an address with a fake unit number and they receive/scan/email all your post. The current country has much less paper mail, so I stopped, but would recommend that approach in general.

I'm also mirroring the family Google photos locally and backing it all up to rsync.net.

Regarding retention - everything gets kept, I don't care about retention rules. Things are tagged so a payslip from 2001 is still there if I ever need it, but I won't see it otherwise. It would cost more to think about it that the few hundred MB that it costs in storage space.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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In Belgium, every citizen has access to a "digital vault" provided by the government, which is accessible using their ID card. Individuals can upload up to 1GB of documents into this vault. It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime, but you can choose what happens with it after your passing.

https://www.izimi.be/en/

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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I'm a bit shocked that all answers so far use cloud storage and not a single one proposes offline.

I store everything in the cloud, because it is unbeatably convenient except for the very things mentioned: health, financial and legal. I'm not 100% strict either, because if a document has been sent or received electronically or can be assumed to be stored in the cloud anyways I really can't do much. I still assume that every online storage will be breached one day and keep some documents deliberately offline.

To give you some chills, check out "Who's been pwned" [1] and this is only the tip of the iceberg that has surfaced and that fulfills HIBP's inclusion criteria.

[1] https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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In Belgium, every citizen has access to a "digital vault" provided by the government, which is accessible using their ID card. Individuals can upload up to 1GB of documents into this vault. It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime, but you can choose what happens with it after your passing. https://www.izimi.be/en/

Interesting. TIL

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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Fortunately for me, most of the official documents here are digitized, and stored on government servers, so in the event of my death, my family can request access to relevant documents. That takes care of most of the official stuff. Also, everything legal i cosigned by my wife, so either one of us has equal access to it, but like official documents, these documents are also stored in government databases.

As for products, i have aimed to buy services that are easily transferrable, i.e. we use iCloud family sharing, meaning every user has their own storage, but they piggy back on my paid subscription. If/when i stop paying, they can chose to continue paying by themselves, and things will just "magically" keep working, but otherwise it's a tricky game.

As for memories, i store everything in the cloud. Most is encrypted by Cryptomator. I have a small server at home synchronizing data home in real time, and the server backs up data hourly to a local target, and a couple of times per day to another cloud.

I have thought long and hard about decentralizing this to let each users laptop do this, but with a family photo album of 3.5TB that would mean i lose deduplication.

It would also put much more demand on the client hardware, as it would need to be able to hold the entire photo library to back it up. I have LONG REQUESTED a way to backup iCloud data without the need to keep it all local, i.e. download upon use for backup, and delete again, but sadly that's not how it works. If your data is "cloud only", your backup will only backup file pointers, and not the actual photos.

Once every year i make Blu-Ray M-disc archives of the previous years photos, and to some lesser extent also documents. I make identical copies and store them in geographically separate locations. I use no encryption or compression on these archive discs. I also have a set of identical external USB drives that i update with the entire archive yearly and then rotate between locations.

I am fully aware that optical media may not be around for much longer, but that's a problem for future me. For now it is the best and most affordable "long term, no maintenance" storage technology available to consumers. Until an official "end of life" is reported, i will keep using it. Once it's EOL i can easily migrate my archive to "something more better", even if that ends up being just ordering photo copies.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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I have a messy drawer where I dump all of this stuff. It’s basically write-only, once I throw something in there I know I’ll never look for it again.

For digital stuff it’s mostly the same idea. If it’s email (which is almost always the case), I archive and forget about it. If it’s something else, I’ll throw it in my virtual “messy drawer” which is just a folder in Google Drive.

You are getting quite a few clever ideas in this thread, but I suspect the vast majority of people out there in the real world do more or less the same as I do (of course, I’m biased).

My “philosophy” (overstatement) is that 99.99% of the time I’ll never need it. If I ever do, it might be a little painful to dig around, but that doesn’t justify having a whole system in place. I would rather keep my mess.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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In Belgium, every citizen has access to a "digital vault" provided by the government, which is accessible using their ID card. Individuals can upload up to 1GB of documents into this vault. It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime, but you can choose what happens with it after your passing. https://www.izimi.be/en/

In Denmark we have e-boks and mit.dk which offer much the same service.

On top of that, every official document, from birth certifica, loans, drivers license, health insurance, and everything else is stored in government databases and can usually be accessed from there, provided your national single sign-on solution, MitID, works.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage your “family data warehouse”?

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A Fuji Snapscan S1500 + folder of PDFs on my laptop + full text search. Mylio for photos. I sometimes purge and file, but not very often.

There's always a bit too much that is attached to emails, I try to remember to save stuff out.

A Synology NAS in the attic which backs up the above.

No encryption.

An £50 "fireproof" box for passports, citizenship certs, things where the original is important.

I assembled a ridiculous old server to do tape backups but couldn't make a very practical system - I wish I could attach an LTO drive to something smaller!

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