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Re: MenuetOS

#31

What are boot times like? I see a lot of text-editing environments geared towards "distraction-free, focused editing" but not a lot of innovation on an OS focused on the same experience. I would like to see such a "writing OS" that boots to a text editor in less than a second. Maybe this OS is a candidate?

Faster than the BIOS. Under a second

Re: MenuetOS

#32
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Kolibri is a hostile fork of Menuet, and that Menuet's author closed it in retaliation.

You are correct. http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=22194 (MenuetOS is Ville's project) The code was GPL, but kolibri did replace copyright headers and that was Ville's main gripe. Whether or not that breaks the GPL, I cannot say (they kept his name in the license file).

If BSD had to split apart their additions with the original unix code, then that means copyright headers should be avoided/obsoleted and only a vcs based historical viewing (who committed what) should be allowed. Since whatever anybody writes contains a copyright itself.

Re: MenuetOS

#33

What are boot times like? I see a lot of text-editing environments geared towards "distraction-free, focused editing" but not a lot of innovation on an OS focused on the same experience. I would like to see such a "writing OS" that boots to a text editor in less than a second. Maybe this OS is a candidate?

Haven't tested recently, but FreeDOS (or SvarDOS) boots in a couple of seconds. The kernel is ridiculously minimal. From there, you could launch a text editor via autoexec.bat and voila. It is a fun system, too.

Years ago, I found a bootable USB project on Github with a tiny custom Linux kernel that only launched vi. IIRC, my computer's fan was always running full speed with it, though.

Re: MenuetOS

#34

What are boot times like? I see a lot of text-editing environments geared towards "distraction-free, focused editing" but not a lot of innovation on an OS focused on the same experience. I would like to see such a "writing OS" that boots to a text editor in less than a second. Maybe this OS is a candidate?

Faster than you can say "what are boot times like" from what I remember. But it's not a practically usable OS, it's more like a study in how far you can get with pure assembly. Though if a text editor is really all you want, it might be good enough.

It was also how far you can go running an entire OS from a diskette. And it was really impressive.

Re: MenuetOS

#35

What are boot times like? I see a lot of text-editing environments geared towards "distraction-free, focused editing" but not a lot of innovation on an OS focused on the same experience. I would like to see such a "writing OS" that boots to a text editor in less than a second. Maybe this OS is a candidate?

I don't know if much innovation is really required, honestly. You probably won't find what you're looking for with Mac/Windows, but if you run a tiling window manager like i3 on Linux you'll pretty much just see a clock, some system stats, and whatever applications you have open on the screen. You can pretty easily configure the bottom bar to remove the superfluous system stats, or even the clock if you want. Is that…

If you truly want focused you don't even need a window manager, you aren't even forced to run x11 or wayland but if so just put your favorite text editor desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions is enough.

Re: MenuetOS

#36
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Kolibri is a hostile fork of Menuet, and that Menuet's author closed it in retaliation.

You are correct. http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=22194 (MenuetOS is Ville's project) The code was GPL, but kolibri did replace copyright headers and that was Ville's main gripe. Whether or not that breaks the GPL, I cannot say (they kept his name in the license file).

It's kinda difficult to believe that the copyright headers were the core of the issue to close down the project. They also talk about spamming the forums. There must have been other major disagreements / antipathy.

Re: MenuetOS

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if much innovation is really required, honestly. You probably won't find what you're looking for with Mac/Windows, but if you run a tiling window manager like i3 on Linux you'll pretty much just see a clock, some system stats, and whatever applications you have open on the screen. You can pretty easily configure the bottom bar to remove the superfluous system stats, or even the clock if you want. Is that…

If you truly want focused you don't even need a window manager, you aren't even forced to run x11 or wayland but if so just put your favorite text editor desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions is enough.

If you really, really want focused you can just drop everything and replace init with your editor http://informatimago.free.fr/i/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linu...

Re: MenuetOS

#38
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you truly want focused you don't even need a window manager, you aren't even forced to run x11 or wayland but if so just put your favorite text editor desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions is enough.

If you really, really want focused you can just drop everything and replace init with your editor http://informatimago.free.fr/i/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linu...

Yes however I don't think you would have the network in that case[1], which might be handy to automatise backups.

[1] unless you start it from emacs which is also totally possible

Re: MenuetOS

#39
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Faster than you can say "what are boot times like" from what I remember. But it's not a practically usable OS, it's more like a study in how far you can get with pure assembly. Though if a text editor is really all you want, it might be good enough.

It was also how far you can go running an entire OS from a diskette. And it was really impressive.

CP/M with Wordstar plus dbase all on one 180kB floppy

Re: MenuetOS

#40

I gave it a try many years ago and its speed was jawdropping. Too bad that a port to ARM would require a complete rewrite; those cheaper lower end *Pi-like embedded boards seem just the perfect platforms to take advantage of such a small and fast OS.

For ARM32, RISC OS is probably the closest to the value proposition offered by Menuet, albeit with a decent amount of high level code and a lot more support from developers for applications, languages, and games.
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