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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by bufferoverflow »

badtension wrote: post #521
gremlinsinc wrote: post #499

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also ai agent scientists in a simulated lab could solve big problems like climate change. AI might be the only thing that can save us, if it don't kill us.

Climate change is not a technological problem at this point. We know how to solve it, we just don't do it.

It is a technological problem, and will be solved as such.

We "don't do it", because the currently offered solutions are insane. Expecting people to reduce their consumption will just not work. It's an uphill battle against human nature.

The solutions to global warming will likely look like a bunch of mirrors in the deserts or in space.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by frob »

osigurdson wrote: post #154
frob wrote: post #42

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Let's not beat around the bush. This is standard climate change denialism. It's the trope that there is nothing here to worry about because, who knows, the earth COULD have been warmer in the past and it still exists now. It's the same logic that would say that you've decelerated from 60 mph to 0 before without an issue, so you should be just fine after slamming your car into a brick wall.

Let's turn this into a simple debate. How many people will die per 100K per year per degree above per-industrial levels in your estimation? By what percentage will GDP per capita be impacted by the same metric? Instead of entrenching climate change denier / alarmist tribes, let's just discuss models.

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by zx8080 »

acdha wrote: post #363
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #178

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> replacing cars with bikes and trains 1. What if you are disabled and have no train connectivity? 2. What about workers who need to travel by car to build trains? What about support workers who help those workers? And so on? See what happens if we stop virtue signaling and think for a few more seconds? Please stop with this zero-order thinking and spend a few seconds thinking of first-order and second-order effects…

> What if you are disabled and have no train connectivity? You likely already have an electric wheelchair or could buy one of the many e-trike or LSV options, and at least the former will benefit greatly from first-class bike infrastructure. This is such a common concern troll talking point but it ignores the fact that many people have disabilities which prevent them from driving (e.g. blindness or epilepsy) or preve…

> You likely already have an electric wheelchair or could buy one of the many e-trike or LSV options, and at least the former will benefit greatly from first-class bike infrastructure.

Not very useful during winter. There're places with lots of snow (meters) and temp dropping down to -30F and below. Simply can't bike when snow falls heavily. People live in such places. And their almost exclusive options (except air) are:

- cars (unreliable: engine fail or no fuel/battery with hundreds km from the nearest town means death too often when it's -30F)

- and railway (very reliable and cheap).

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by acdha »

zx8080 wrote: post #583
acdha wrote: post #363

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> What if you are disabled and have no train connectivity? You likely already have an electric wheelchair or could buy one of the many e-trike or LSV options, and at least the former will benefit greatly from first-class bike infrastructure. This is such a common concern troll talking point but it ignores the fact that many people have disabilities which prevent them from driving (e.g. blindness or epilepsy) or preve…

> You likely already have an electric wheelchair or could buy one of the many e-trike or LSV options, and at least the former will benefit greatly from first-class bike infrastructure. Not very useful during winter. There're places with lots of snow (meters) and temp dropping down to -30F and below. Simply can't bike when snow falls heavily. People live in such places. And their almost exclusive options (except air)…

Yes, some people in certain very remote/extreme locations might need an enclosed vehicle. We weren’t focused on that because most of the human population doesn’t live in those conditions, especially in urban areas, but if you want that tangent buses, trains, and enclosed LSVs are all good choices depending on circumstances. If you live in Yakutsk, your needs are already different from 99% of the people in the world in many ways.

Remember, nobody is saying that 100% of trips should be on bicycle. We’re saying that we should break the previous century’s default assumption of using a multi-ton vehicle per person for every trip, especially in urban areas where cars make everything worse for everyone including the drivers.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by vGPU »

amrocha wrote: post #565
vGPU wrote: post #563

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Except that just like the Air Force’s sunspot count, which is so blatantly false that NASA doesn’t even bother trying to get their own numbers to match up — the NOAA has been using statistical manipulation and outright fraud to create the appearance of global warming.

I honestly don't know what to do when people like you exist that confidently refute the scientific consensus based on whatever they read online. You're why I think the world is doomed. We can't fix climate change when there's a bunch of people who want to be contrarians so bad they're willing to die over it.

Remember when people like you said the exact same thing with the exact same confidence, except it was global cooling?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by amrocha »

vGPU wrote: post #585
amrocha wrote: post #565

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I honestly don't know what to do when people like you exist that confidently refute the scientific consensus based on whatever they read online. You're why I think the world is doomed. We can't fix climate change when there's a bunch of people who want to be contrarians so bad they're willing to die over it.

Remember when people like you said the exact same thing with the exact same confidence, except it was global cooling?

No, I don't, because I never said that, because there was never scientific consensus around that. Anyway, I hope you live long enough to see the world burn.

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Post by Projectiboga »

tigen wrote: post #415
Projectiboga wrote: post #157

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Here is a climate professor's site he and his associates are warning of imminent mass human extinction. https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/ Dig back through his posts they are horrifying.

As far as I can tell this site is run by an amateur, not a "climate professor".

It is written by an actual Rutgers Professor who writes it under a pseudonym to insulate themselves from doxing. With occasional guest contributions from an Australian professor.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by vGPU »

amrocha wrote: post #586
vGPU wrote: post #585

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Remember when people like you said the exact same thing with the exact same confidence, except it was global cooling?

No, I don't, because I never said that, because there was never scientific consensus around that. Anyway, I hope you live long enough to see the world burn.

Indeed, I do hope so. I have my poolside lounge chair ready.

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Post by andrewjl »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change.

That's a direct path to armed conflict. Those aren't great in the reduce CO2 emissions and cut down on resource consumption departments.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by andrewjl »

pentae wrote: post #258
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

I'm going to guess you've never spent much time outside the bubble of the first world. After living extensively overseas in Latin America & South-east Asia and seeing how its part of everyday life for most people in the rest of the world to openly burn trash, plastics, car tyres.. litter everywhere, cutting the cat converters off their trucks, dumping construction waste straight into rivers.. it's been eye opening. N…

What's incredible is missing the fact that CO2 emissions and most kinds of pollution in general are verifiably multiples higher per individual in the West compared to elsewhere. We're just better at keeping them out of sight and apparently out of mind, too.
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