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Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by OtomotO »

TylerE wrote: post #29
perceptronas wrote: post #24

This IDE doesn't seem to differ from CLion with Rust plugin. I guess, its only about making Rust plugin paid from their side – which makes sense from their side. I hope they can deliver quality. On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. Features are super slow to be delivered, IDEs themselves are not really improved as well. They are focusing on things most don't care: Spaces, new UI project…

That's how all their IDEs work. It's all the same software with different sets of allowed plugins. I would also argue that their IDEs are largely mature, feature-complete software. I'm quite happy they haven't succumbed to the modern trend of reorganize all the menus every 6 months.

> I'm quite happy they haven't succumbed to the modern trend of reorganize all the menus every 6 months.

Same, so they do it every 2 years instead.

But the upside is the Shift+Shift Menu of "Find anything in this Project or what the IDE can do for you"... I wish more software had this :)

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by moonchrome »

keyle wrote: post #136

I'm fed up with Jetbrains. I gave them money for many years and I loved intelliJ. It was the go-to IDE regardless of your code. Then they started "simpler" IDEs like PHPStorm, but that was fine because I could supplement my IntelliJ with plugins that would basically give me PHPStorm and the like. IntelliJ remained the go-to tool for the polyglot. The problem were the bugs. 3-4 years sometimes to fix glaring bugs well…

I don't have problems with bugs as often as I would expect considering the complexity of the IDE ! I'd say it's much better than Visual Studio which is directly comparable.

But there are many annoying issues open for a long time, two I'm struggling with currently :

- integrated terminal rendering performance is atrocious (and I hit this all the time since I use CLI a lot in my workflow)

- remote editing is a false promise feature - it's been there for a year but it's not even close to usable - this is a big deal for me as well and VS code is immeasurably better in this regard

I did a lot of C# recently and (ironically) VS code is terrible for this kind of language, Rider > Visual Studio.

I'm doing some Python now and PyCharm is just barely edging the VS Code. The remote experience is just not comparable and the terminal rendering performance is PITA.

If I was doing TS I wouldn't even bother with IntelliJ.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by reitanuki »

abeyer wrote: post #49
takeda wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like they deprecated the rust plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8182--deprecated-rust that sucks.

Just moved: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/22407-rust

but that one can't be installed to the open source IDEs of course

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by OtomotO »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #144
TylerE wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how all their IDEs work. It's all the same software with different sets of allowed plugins. I would also argue that their IDEs are largely mature, feature-complete software. I'm quite happy they haven't succumbed to the modern trend of reorganize all the menus every 6 months.

> I'm quite happy they haven't succumbed to the modern trend of reorganize all the menus every 6 months https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/new-ui.html

Yes, but it's not every 6 months, but instead every 2 years or so :X

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by anuraaga »

badrequest wrote: post #40
perceptronas wrote: post #24

This IDE doesn't seem to differ from CLion with Rust plugin. I guess, its only about making Rust plugin paid from their side – which makes sense from their side. I hope they can deliver quality. On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. Features are super slow to be delivered, IDEs themselves are not really improved as well. They are focusing on things most don't care: Spaces, new UI project…

When Goland launched it wasn't that much different from IntelliJ IDEA with the Go plugin. In the intervening years it has come to feel like a significantly better product than that combination.

This is why I am happy to see RustRover - it's very likely the significantly better product is actually similar for the Go plugin. Once they release an IDE, it seems development picks up and things get a lot better quicker.

I have used clion with rust plugin and while it's better than nothing, it's generally been pretty spotty on all the features, completion, marking errors, refactoring. I'm looking forward to RustRover "pulling a GoLand" by bringing a proper IDE experience to rust.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by OtomotO »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #91
kaba0 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, Scala sort of recently became completely revamped and I have only had a not too positive experience with the new version - which does make sense that it won’t instantly be as feature-complete.

Yeah, Scala3, has a special name IIRC.

Dotty? Was it still the name later?

http://dotty.epfl.ch/

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by dist-epoch »

wokwokwok wrote: post #93
raincole wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s incredible to me how many people choose VS Code because of its aesthetics No. VS code is popular because it's 1. Free and open source 2. Come with a lot of official extension [1] 3. Backed by MS which has the incentive to commondize code editors It's quite similar to Chrome. [1]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/publishers/Microsoft

Jetbrains has plenty of extensions (1st party, high quality plugins that are far better than some of the 1st party Microsoft plugins) and no one cares if it's by Microsoft (what does "commondize code editors" even mean? Do you really think any vscode users care?). Honestly, I doubt most people even care it's kind-of open source (1). > 1. Free This is the reason most people use vscode. That's it. It's free, and it's p…

There's also a free edition of Intellij - Community Edition. Why don't people use that?

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by culebron21 »

keyle wrote: post #136

I'm fed up with Jetbrains. I gave them money for many years and I loved intelliJ. It was the go-to IDE regardless of your code. Then they started "simpler" IDEs like PHPStorm, but that was fine because I could supplement my IntelliJ with plugins that would basically give me PHPStorm and the like. IntelliJ remained the go-to tool for the polyglot. The problem were the bugs. 3-4 years sometimes to fix glaring bugs well…

Sadly, Zed is only for Mac.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by keyle »

moonchrome wrote: post #152
keyle wrote: post #136

I'm fed up with Jetbrains. I gave them money for many years and I loved intelliJ. It was the go-to IDE regardless of your code. Then they started "simpler" IDEs like PHPStorm, but that was fine because I could supplement my IntelliJ with plugins that would basically give me PHPStorm and the like. IntelliJ remained the go-to tool for the polyglot. The problem were the bugs. 3-4 years sometimes to fix glaring bugs well…

I don't have problems with bugs as often as I would expect considering the complexity of the IDE ! I'd say it's much better than Visual Studio which is directly comparable. But there are many annoying issues open for a long time, two I'm struggling with currently : - integrated terminal rendering performance is atrocious (and I hit this all the time since I use CLI a lot in my workflow) - remote editing is a false pr…

Yeah if you remember they actually started as Resharper I believe. This was a powerful tool for visual studio which made C# a lot better. It was like essentially the precursor of LSP.

MSFT standardised LSPs with the language server protocol (well, literally).

So if anything, Jetbrains knows C# just as well as MSFT ever have!

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by aa1234556 »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #86
raincole wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s incredible to me how many people choose VS Code because of its aesthetics No. VS code is popular because it's 1. Free and open source 2. Come with a lot of official extension [1] 3. Backed by MS which has the incentive to commondize code editors It's quite similar to Chrome. [1]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/publishers/Microsoft

Technically it's not Free (libre) or Open Source. The "VSCode" that people use is a proprietary telemetry-laiden application that cannot be reproducibly built from available source. You're probably wanting: https://vscodium.com/

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