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Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

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Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

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And then, those same companies, feign having no idea why everybody and their dog orders on Amazon. I've never had to jump through any hoop or deal with any clueless AI to return a product.

Amazon is absolute garbage, no idea why people praise it so much. Scams all around and garbage products - ill take a bad return policy any day over that.

I've had 0 scams on Amazon in 15(?) Years of using it. I had one "new" product that was clearly opened, and two clicks on their website later I had a pickup ordered from my door the following day and a replacement in the way.

That's why people praise it.

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#182

At least IRC is usually logged. However, I've noticed a disturbing trend amongst web shops. It used to be common for a shop to have it's return policy and form linked on the main page/menu. Right along side its terms&conditions, privacy policy etc. Now I noticed a couple of popular shops I interact with replaced it with "chat with us" things(IKEA in Poland, a bunch of very large clothing brands etc). I hate it when I…

And then, those same companies, feign having no idea why everybody and their dog orders on Amazon. I've never had to jump through any hoop or deal with any clueless AI to return a product.

Amazon UI is a joke even compared with such local (Poland wide) shopping sites like allegro.pl

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#183

I recently found a repo for an Xbox wireless controller kernel driver where the GitHub issues page was turned off and instead they used discord. I asked why they don’t have GitHub issues turned on and they said they “didn’t want it to become a support forum”. I couldn’t believe it. If there is a common issue, one person will ask about it on the issues page and then everyone else can benefit from that discussion. On d…

> On discord, I had to log in and join their group to ask about an error message, only to find it’s a common issue and there’s a few troubleshooting steps.

Did you try searching for the error message on Discord? If so, what was the experience?

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#184

One trouble w/ things like Discord and IRC for support or community building is that frequently you get somebody with nothing better to do who "leans in" and spends more time (all the time) logged in and ends up being the face of your forum for new users. (Full disclosure, I've been that guy )

This is a real problem. My project dealt with someone who dominated discussions and frequently responded with outright false information. We tried very hard to work with them, but they wouldn't change, and after asking a lot of other maintainers how they would handle it, and giving many warnings, we eventually banned them despite them not really breaking rules per se. What ultimately convinced us banning was appropri…

That can happen on github too..

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#185
Discord is a trade-off. Don't apply on the wrong problem.

Some pros, I'll pick three. (1) I think the appeal for something like Discord becomes more obvious when documentation feels like a moving target. For example, as a long time back-end developer, I have never disliked StackOveflow more than when I decided to learn front-end JavaScript. Every answer seemed attached to an expiration date. Anything older than 2 years and I'd wonder is this still in effect? I actually wished that JS would have its own special SO where answers can be sorted by "number of votes this year" or a "deprecated" flag. (2) The immediacy of chat, you ask and don't have to wait half a day for someone to notice. (3) No search. It could just be an impression, but my search experience seems to just increasingly suck. Engines seem to struggle to find relevant bits, particularly if the tech is fairly recent and results are flooded with meaningless articles, that just echo the same "Hello, world" from the official documentation. With Discord, I don't have to sort through the junk.

Now the cons.

The chat format for support certainly has its highlights, but you don't have to wear blinders about its downsides. If you allow for time to improve information, information accrues interest. Chat doesn't allow for time. And Discord doesn't particularly care about the quality of information. Discord cares about (authenticated) users showing up on the platform now, now, now. The problems highlighted with the chat format (as it's implemented on Discord), are very focused (though they have ramifications): archiving and searching capabilities are subpar. You show up on some chat channel and ask a question. You get the benefit of immediate advice, by the most authoritative voice that happens to be present. It may be good advice or it may be moot. You just have to take it at face value. On StackOverflow that advice would go unchallenged for a few months, but allow for time and you allow for scrutiny. Eventually, if there's contention, there will be a discussion. Answers are commented upon, improved, deprecated. You can simply show up years later and benefit from the maturation of the different perspectives that contributed to crystallize our current best understanding of the issue.

Obviously, YMMV. Still, don't apply on the wrong problem.

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#186

At least IRC is usually logged. However, I've noticed a disturbing trend amongst web shops. It used to be common for a shop to have it's return policy and form linked on the main page/menu. Right along side its terms&conditions, privacy policy etc. Now I noticed a couple of popular shops I interact with replaced it with "chat with us" things(IKEA in Poland, a bunch of very large clothing brands etc). I hate it when I…

> So much time wasted could be recovered by a simple RMA form.

Maybe that's the goal? To discourage the return of merchandise? They think customers rather write off the loss, than waste half an hour.

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#187
Add this point too: you can’t just google the problem for example and find a similar post and the resolution, you never know if the problem was addressed or resolved, even back in the days with locked forums where you needed to register or even reply to the post to see the solution, you know there’s some sort of issue and how to solve it, with Discord, nothing.

So my rule of thumb, if that service or software that I’m trying to use list a discord as the mean of communication, I simply don’t use it, what’s next, holding meetings over Twitch and discussions over tiktok?

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#188
It's kind of incredible that this even needs to be said.

Discord is a great piece of software for organizing ephemeral communications. Voice chat works well. That's 99% of the value of Discord. It also absolute dogshit as a persistent store of information.

Stack Overflow-style Q&A is the definitive good choice for Q&A documentation.

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve done it in different communities. I don’t think it should be discouraged even though it can seem strange. There’s a person who wants their question answered, and someone who wants to answer it. Why make the sever worse by stopping it? At times, they might be wrong, but they’re going to realize they’re a problem if they’re always wrong. I do think sometimes incentives seem misaligned, like, I was in an enterprise…

It's only a problem because he can be an asshole sometimes, and he very nearly always gets in first, (I swear he never sleeps), so yeah, sometimes not a great intro to a community that does exist, honest, not that you'd know from the Slack threads. To be fair, when he answers a question he's right 99.9% of the time.

The discord should clearly state the community standards, including some variant of "don't be an asshole". Most importantly, the standards must be enforced.

These people, while knowledgeable, drag down the community with their toxic personalities and discourage others from participating. Who wants to ask a question if there is a high probability of being called stupid.

Warning and then ultimately kicking these individuals improved things as a whole. Others stepped up to answer questions and mods handled fewer complaints about the asshole's style of communication.

Re: Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum

#190

I recently found a repo for an Xbox wireless controller kernel driver where the GitHub issues page was turned off and instead they used discord. I asked why they don’t have GitHub issues turned on and they said they “didn’t want it to become a support forum”. I couldn’t believe it. If there is a common issue, one person will ask about it on the issues page and then everyone else can benefit from that discussion. On d…

> On discord, I had to log in and join their group to ask about an error message, only to find it’s a common issue and there’s a few troubleshooting steps. Did you try searching for the error message on Discord? If so, what was the experience?

Not GP, but it's miserable. Discord, and to only a slightly lesser extent Reddit, is not built for that use, it doesn't drive engagement.
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