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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Every time I log into windows and that “Lets finish setting up your computer” wizard starts, I feel abused, betrayed, and forced into whatever bullshit Microsoft wants to shove down my throat. It sucks.

Have you tried not logging into Windows?

It was a huge effort for me to switch. Now almost 20 years later, I don't regret it. Wish I had done it sooner.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

#492

Every time I log into windows and that “Lets finish setting up your computer” wizard starts, I feel abused, betrayed, and forced into whatever bullshit Microsoft wants to shove down my throat. It sucks.

Have you tried not logging into Windows? It was a huge effort for me to switch. Now almost 20 years later, I don't regret it. Wish I had done it sooner.

KDE skinned linux reminds me of the glory days of Windows, but modernized and upgraded. There is little reason for anyone of even modest technical abilities to be using windows now.

Gaming was the last bastion of having Windows, but with Proton, Linux can run nearly any "Windows-only" game.

It is a small effort to switch now. There has never been a better time.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

#493

Every time I log into windows and that “Lets finish setting up your computer” wizard starts, I feel abused, betrayed, and forced into whatever bullshit Microsoft wants to shove down my throat. It sucks.

Have you tried not logging into Windows? It was a huge effort for me to switch. Now almost 20 years later, I don't regret it. Wish I had done it sooner.

Happily running Linux now that my job no longer requires windows development ;)

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I’m using Windows 11 and nothing forces open Edge on my machine. Every link opens in Brave like I told it to.

What happens when you press Win, type a query, then press enter, quickly? In Win 10 that opens a Bing search in Edge for me, no matter what settings I try. Very annoying when I type "(Win)chr(enter)" to open Chrome and get a search instead. If I do it slow it will sometimes work. I haven't tried it on Win 11 because that was what caused me to drop Windows altogether. (Everyone has their straw).

Start menu search is unfortunate broken in Windows 11 (even more so than in W10). It needs to do a Web search before returning results, which makes it too slow to be reliably useful in my opinion.

It's easily solved by installing Power Toys and using the search feature from there instead (activated with alt + space, like in Linux & Mac)

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Nonsense. They've moved so much stuff about all my windows knowledge from 7 is useless. You'll be in the same spot when 12 comes out.

I'm generally onboard with hating on windows, but windows 7 was 14 years ago. (Almost) everything software realted has changed in that time, not just Windows.

Well it's hardly my fault that I've not had to use windows in the past 10 years.

And no, not every UI has made needless changes since then.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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At a certain point, you’re pretty much asking for socialism. No one should be obligated to build an entire operating system that works on billion combination of potential parts, and then cater to everyone else so that they get the native experience in every way integrating with the OS. Obviously, I want the best experience as an end-user. But I think it’s ridiculous, at a certain point you should have to invest the b…

Your comment is ridiculous to me. We have Linux, probably supported on billion combinations, not too closely integrated with "vendor-specific" things. It's also free to use and free software, constantly being improved and extended by people around the world. I don't much care about Windows, but as someone who has to use it for certain work I feel like I have the right to complain about Microsoft trying to force it's…

If that’s how you feel, that’s fine. But no, Linux is not supported on 1 billion hardware combinations. It works with a lot, but there’s no single entity that supports it all like Microsoft. You’re digging into C code if you run into a problem, someone else has not before.

Linux is a server kernel primarily. It gets used elsewhere, but that’s the core focus for development. Windows is a consumer OS. They’re really two different tools for two different jobs.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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At a certain point, you’re pretty much asking for socialism. No one should be obligated to build an entire operating system that works on billion combination of potential parts, and then cater to everyone else so that they get the native experience in every way integrating with the OS. Obviously, I want the best experience as an end-user. But I think it’s ridiculous, at a certain point you should have to invest the b…

The comment I was responding to asserted "we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this". My response argued that no, we don't actually need this. I don't think that being unwilling to go out of my way to find a way to support a business model I don't like is socialism because I don't happen to be a billionaire making a competing problem; if anything, you're ar…

Using it and demanding that they lose pretty much all power over their own product, is nearing socialism.

What you didn’t mention before, but now you are, is that you would choose a different product that works as you described. That sounds better. The only problem is that it doesn’t exist. Again, no one is going to spend $1 billion to build a system for everyone else to essentially have native integrations into as they sit back having spent all of that money to build this hypothetical extremely flexible product. Those types of ideas are basically the typical HN pipe dream.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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How is your personal preference relevant at all under a comment of enterprise-level setup? You are going to ask everyone in the company to use emacs?

Everyone in my company uses emacs, except the few who use vi. There is one guy who uses VSCode. I have no idea what he uses to type text documents for human consumption. So, sure. Use whatever tool works for you. Kind of bizarre you're wanting everyone to use Word and Edge (and Win 11). I mean... you should use what works for you. But you shouldn't freak out when people use different things. I hear some people use Ma…

And how is this useful and why should another company care about how things work at your company? Shouldn't those companies focus on more on the productivity tools their employees use?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Everyone in my company uses emacs, except the few who use vi. There is one guy who uses VSCode. I have no idea what he uses to type text documents for human consumption. So, sure. Use whatever tool works for you. Kind of bizarre you're wanting everyone to use Word and Edge (and Win 11). I mean... you should use what works for you. But you shouldn't freak out when people use different things. I hear some people use Ma…

And how is this useful and why should another company care about how things work at your company? Shouldn't those companies focus on more on the productivity tools their employees use?

Person 1: I have a problem. Suggestions?

Person 2: Here is a suggestion.

Person 3: How dare you offer a suggestion when someone asked for suggestions!

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