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Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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Isn't Apple TV one of the less successful Apple products? Some may even say a rare flop(by Apple standards).

The bar is very high for Apple products. The iPod killed the CD player. The iPhone revolutionized the phone market. But the Apple TV? It's yet to cause much disruption.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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The new UI is temporary just like the previous ones have been. There have been at least 3 major redesigns of the UI so far. They change as needed to introduce new features. The current design is to make room for third party content & services. In this sense the current generation Apple TV is just a place-holder for a future product. Apple has said as much by referring to it as a hobby. What they are doing is laying the groundwork for this future product. AirPlay, iOS Remote, 1080P video, third party services with sign-up and payment, iCloud, etc. The current generation Apple TV is almost just a public beta test of these technologies. When they are ready to do the 'real' Apple TV they will introduce an entirely new UI to go with it.

This sort of public R&D isn't what Apple normally does but I think the challenge of building this product requires it. They need to soften the ground a bit. Of course other companies are working on the same things which helps too. People are comfortable with IPTV services. Current residential broadband can keep up fairly well with good 1080P video. The more SmartPhones and tablets sold the closer we are to ditching a dinky multi-button remote control in favor of multi-touch control. The integration with the cloud for re-downloading content and interconnecting different devices solves a ton of usability problems. Step by step each one of these changes are laying the groundwork for something bigger.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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post #9

I haven't used the latest iteration of the AppleTV UI, but I did use the last version, and I found it to be pretty terrible. Any time text input was needed, it was a nightmare. I don't know if the new UI took care of that problem, but coupled with the remote (clearly a case of aesthetics chosen of utility), I found the entire experience to be decidedly less enjoyable than any other living room interface - XBox360, PS…

You can use your iPad / iPhone for text input -- but that isn't what this article is addressing. They moved from a text menu type selection system to a grid of applications type system.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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post #5

The Apple TV seems to be moving toward an app based approach, so perhaps this UI simply makes more sense in the current ecosystem.

When the Apple TV gets apps I think we will start to see the beginning of the end for Nintendo... thats the iPod for on the move and the Apple TV for the home casual gaming.. You can buy a wii game for £40 or almost 80 59p silly games on the Apple tv... and using iphones / ipod touches as an additional controller...

With AirPlay Apple TV has apps right now.

http://firemint.com/2011/guide-to-setting-up-airplay-and-par...

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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Isn't Apple TV one of the less successful Apple products? Some may even say a rare flop(by Apple standards). The bar is very high for Apple products. The iPod killed the CD player. The iPhone revolutionized the phone market. But the Apple TV? It's yet to cause much disruption.

Hard to say. I think Apple said they sold 3 million of them last year which would make it very successful within the tiny dedicated IPTV set top market. It's not really a finished product yet. The current Apple TV is like the Motorola Rockr. A hint of things to come but definitely not ready to make a big splash. It's interesting to note though that NetFlix says they stream more video to Apple TVs than iPads. So something is definitely starting to happen here but I think we're still a couple of years away from the Apple TV really being a mass market device.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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Isn't Apple TV one of the less successful Apple products? Some may even say a rare flop(by Apple standards). The bar is very high for Apple products. The iPod killed the CD player. The iPhone revolutionized the phone market. But the Apple TV? It's yet to cause much disruption.

Apple always said it's a hobby. Not sure wether that's just rhetoric. At any case, Apple TV has been steadily improving and is selling more and more.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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Isn't Apple TV one of the less successful Apple products? Some may even say a rare flop(by Apple standards). The bar is very high for Apple products. The iPod killed the CD player. The iPhone revolutionized the phone market. But the Apple TV? It's yet to cause much disruption.

I find it interesting because for all of the hype about Apple's mindshare and marketing prowess a quickly expanding market exists where Apple is a niche player. Internet enabled TV's and boxes are ubiquitous and very popular yet Apple can't make a significant dent in that market despite being an early pioneer.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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It's interesting -- I've been living in a furnished rental in Hawaii for the last few months where I have a very small TV (maybe 22"?) and I've had my Apple TV hooked up to it since I got here. Before the update, I found it very hard to read the menus across the room, but I do think the new design is much better for smaller screens. I have a feeling the giant blocks would irritate me if I still had my 60" plasma (sob I miss that TV) but for a more modest screen, it really makes life easier. Ideally I'd love to be able to mirror the menus in the Remote app so that I don't have to squint to read the Netflix reviews and descriptions.

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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A few of the other engineers I work with think I'm crazy, but I'd bet $100 that in the next few years, Apple will produce a TV itself and remove this product from the market.

The well-known comment in the Jobs biography tipped their hand about a further commitment to TV. Literally everybody I've talked to about it balks at the idea of a full-on Apple tv set. That it's too murky, too much tangling with cable providers. Too much competition with existing set makers without the ability to really revolutionize the form-factor like cell phones. That instead they'd just give you a box that you can plug into an existing TV to make it good.

But Jobs (and Apple) have always been about "the whole widget." Moreover, they have a lot of experience building really great large displays.

Besides, TVs need it now. So-called "Smart" IP tv's are the future. TV's already have Apps. And the experience sucks because Samsung, LG, Sony, etc, are not in the business of making first-class software products. I believe the line where steve said he'd "finally cracked it." Because a lot of us I'm sure can see the rough outline of a product there. Let it run iOS. Let me remote control it with my other iOS devices. Let me integrate iTunes/etc in a first-class way. The murky part is: How exactly do you deal with existing cable content. Can I add HBO West to my home screen like an "app" right alongside the HBO Go app? That integration of these 2 side-by-side systems of content delivery (Cable and Internet) is the detail that I think needs to be "cracked." How great would it be to see this product emerge as posthumous part of Jobs' legacy..

Re: Ex Apple TV Engineer: New Apple TV UI is actually one Jobs threw away years ago

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the Apple TV gets apps I think we will start to see the beginning of the end for Nintendo... thats the iPod for on the move and the Apple TV for the home casual gaming.. You can buy a wii game for £40 or almost 80 59p silly games on the Apple tv... and using iphones / ipod touches as an additional controller...

With AirPlay Apple TV has apps right now. http://firemint.com/2011/guide-to-setting-up-airplay-and-par...

But you still need a device to stream it to... I've been looking for a way of running our conference using apple tv's I'd love to be able to send all the keynote presentations to the apple tv without having to have a device to stream them..
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