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Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by perceptronas »

TylerE wrote: post #38
threeseed wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> largely mature, feature-complete software Depends on the language. I use mostly Scala and Rust and both have significant issues still with incorrect syntax highlighting, refactoring being limited and slowness with larger projects.

I guess it's just that I have a hard time reading a statement like "Features are super slow to be delivered" and even trying to understand where that person is coming from. Like, what general, non-language specific features does he think IntelliJ lacks at this point? Is he upset he can't use it to mail a check to his utility company?

I didn't say its non-language specific only. I also listed few language specific ones and non-language ones. Not sure I can add more to be clear

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by VeejayRampay »

wredue wrote: post #23
pohl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify, TFA says that the open-source plugin will remain open source and freely available on GitHub and the marketplace. If that's what we're calling "malicious" these days, then I'm not exactly outraged. Rather, I find it exciting that Rust has grown to the point where a commercial entity wants to commit to a commercial product like this.

Well. They’re accusing jetbrains of forking the open repo and then closing it. The reason it feels malicious is because jetbrains weren’t the only contributors, so they’re monetizing the work of people that were under the impression that the plugin was staying open source due to clion.

the license allows it, there's nothing "malicious" about it

if people care about such things, then they should not contribute to projects using MIT

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by malkia »

7e wrote: post #26

I hope the Bazel plugin works with this. And I hope there is at least one Jetbrains IDE where I can work on C++, Python and Rust at the same time.

Talking about bazel (or buck, etc.), I wish there was a JetBrains IDE that supports all languages.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by EdwardDiego »

threeseed wrote: post #37
TylerE wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how all their IDEs work. It's all the same software with different sets of allowed plugins. I would also argue that their IDEs are largely mature, feature-complete software. I'm quite happy they haven't succumbed to the modern trend of reorganize all the menus every 6 months.

> largely mature, feature-complete software Depends on the language. I use mostly Scala and Rust and both have significant issues still with incorrect syntax highlighting, refactoring being limited and slowness with larger projects.

Scala and Rust are both very complex languages.

I mean, how's rustfmt going?

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by snuxoll »

kylecazar wrote: post #32
snuxoll wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As somebody with a JetBrains All Products subscription, I do frequently use the language-specific IDE’s because the IntelliJ module system (read: project structure) can be a chore to deal with when I’m just doing something in Python or Javascript. Having a simplified and focused UI layout and assumptions about internal project structure makes less headache. Additionally, not ALL of the language-specific IDEs have mat…

Are you sure about being unable to install RR as a plugin for Ultimate? (Also, I think the Go plugin for Ultimate is everything in GoLand): From the official JB blog: "Like many of our IDEs, the functionality of RustRover can be installed as a plugin in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate."

I may be mistaken on that one, but it looks like it may be available as a CLion plugin after based on their FAQ but certainly not for IntelliJ IDEA. I hadn't paid attention and noticed that they made the Go plugin available for IDEA, but for certain CLion and Rider are only available standalone.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

wredue wrote: post #23
pohl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify, TFA says that the open-source plugin will remain open source and freely available on GitHub and the marketplace. If that's what we're calling "malicious" these days, then I'm not exactly outraged. Rather, I find it exciting that Rust has grown to the point where a commercial entity wants to commit to a commercial product like this.

Well. They’re accusing jetbrains of forking the open repo and then closing it. The reason it feels malicious is because jetbrains weren’t the only contributors, so they’re monetizing the work of people that were under the impression that the plugin was staying open source due to clion.

It cuts both ways. JetBrains is free to close source it, but likewise, anyone can continue to maintain it too. JetBrains has no more power here than anyone else, except for the dev time of their employees.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by bsdnoob »

badrequest wrote: post #40
perceptronas wrote: post #24

This IDE doesn't seem to differ from CLion with Rust plugin. I guess, its only about making Rust plugin paid from their side – which makes sense from their side. I hope they can deliver quality. On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. Features are super slow to be delivered, IDEs themselves are not really improved as well. They are focusing on things most don't care: Spaces, new UI project…

When Goland launched it wasn't that much different from IntelliJ IDEA with the Go plugin. In the intervening years it has come to feel like a significantly better product than that combination.

I'm curious to hear what really is the difference between GoLand and IDEA Ultimate with go plugin other than flashy startup banner.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by abeyer »

takeda wrote: post #17
catch2222 wrote: post #16

This is exciting news. The current clion + rust plugin combo allows me to step seamlessly from rust to cpp when doing ffi work. Hopefully this isn't lost in this new rust only tool.

Looks like they deprecated the rust plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8182--deprecated-rust that sucks.

Just moved: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/22407-rust

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by RGBCube »

codetrotter wrote: post #35

I paid JetBrains 3 years up-front for a license to their products. Thank heavens I paid for the full suite and not just CLion or I’d be stuck using CLion with the Rust plug-in which will become unmaintained. Looking forward to install RustRover. Hopefully it will bring even better integration with Rust than using CLion with Rust plug-in. And CLion with Rust plug-in is already very nice :)

You can also install the new Rust plugin on idea ultimate, so it will be the same as RustRover
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