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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
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Sounds like the article is incorrect. The relevant standard for EU-wide regulations is EN 50566:2013, which allows manufacturers to choose the separation with up to 25mm (most vendors standardized on 15mm because this is the maximum separation allowed under the FCC standard). The french disagree with this standard and specify the limits at 0mm and 5mm separation, which obviously increases absorption. However, they di…
Shouldn't it be at zero? Considering that's how the vast majority of people hold their cell phones pressed against the ear.
The phone has a finite thickness.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shouldn't it be at zero? Considering that's how the vast majority of people hold their cell phones pressed against the ear.
The phone has a finite thickness.
Yes but modern iPhone designs uses the metal casing as antennas. Did you not realize that?
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
The general issue I've found with people that take this mindset is that they focus so much on the 0.000000001% risks that they miss a lot of 1% risks. Which I would say is unscientific in terms of minimizing ones risks.
1. It's not just risk, it's also a risk/benefit balance. 2. We have 8 billion human on this earth. Is it bad to have 0.00001% of human alive (i.e. a few thousands) focus on 0.00001% risk?
This is a commonly (mis)-used argument, that misses the fact that if the statistics tell us the risk is less than some value (lets say 10^-6), the assumption is that the risk is 10^-6. Often, statistical tests have the power to detect very rare effects, but not effects that are even rarer. So less than 10^-6 does not mean the risk is one in a million, it means we do not know how low the risk is (could be 10^-23), but we know that it is no higher than 10^-6.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Remember Dieselgate? BMW had to recall cars. Apple have to recall iPhone12.
Not yet. They just can't sell them anymore (even used ones). Recall will only occur if Apple doesn't provide any mitigating measures.
I hope Apple provides a giant plastic brick with the name and phone number of a French regulator laser-etched in it.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. This bit sounds like a catch though: As for those telephones that are already in use, Apple must adopt all necessary corrective measures to bring the telephones into conformity as soon as possible, otherwise, Apple will have to recall the equipment.
Dumb question, but what if there weren't OTA updates?
Then it'd probably need to be "book an appointment with your nearest Apple store to arrange the update".
"Free iPhone 15's" is unlikely the direction Apple would take. ;)
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasn't the point of 2.4 GHz being unregulated because it's used by microwave ovens (citation needed). It interacts strongly with water atleast
To produce thermal heating. The RF radiation fear trades off the word "radiation" and how no one actually knows what that means.
The point is that radiation can interact with stuff without it always being ionizing, like the water/microwave interaction
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
The phone has a finite thickness.
Yes but modern iPhone designs uses the metal casing as antennas. Did you not realize that?
"optical center" of the antenna probably is at least 5mm even with a phone pressed against your head, given the distance the ends are away. and things like clothing or purses add interposing distance too.
again though it's all a matter of how you design the test. if the source comes closer, the output is going to go up. using the same number but way closer than everyone else is actually using a lower number than everyone else.
again, I'm OOP and (while I'm not a doctor) my take is that the scale of cellphone ownership is far too big (at 4x+ these french emission limits, per the ANFR charts) for these to be reasonable decisions. cellphones at the customary frequency bands and emissions levels just are not that much of a health hazard, or else there would have been observable results bounded by the sample size (large). And really there are practical technical limits to how much power it's worth pounding out before you overwhelm the cell site or drain your battery in an hour. It's optimal for everyone if noise floors are low.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is an Americanism because the term implicitly assumes two things: > 1. That the government is split into branches, following how the US system evolved. > 2. That executive power must be confined to a single branch, also how the US is organized. I'm pretty sure these principles are originally French. The American system was built around these principles as well, but calling them American is a whole new level of A…
> I'm pretty sure these principles are originally French. The American system was built around these principles as well, but calling them American is a whole new level of Americentrism I'll concede that - certainly. > Separation of powers into three branches is basically a prerequisite for belonging to the EU, as it is considered a basic requirement for a democracy The EU is concerned more with judicial independence,…
> most EU countries (and especially its founding and early members) do not have separation strictly along judicial/legislative/executive boundary lines
1. Let's not count the UK because it's the earliest democracy, and also is the messiest one (no written Constitution...) and also it's not the earliest or current member of the EU.
2. What exactly is an 'executive parliament'? My understanding is that in parliamentary democracy, the parliament chooses the executive, but the executive powers lie solely with the executive (government), and the parliament in itself does not have any direct executive function. It can only legislate, not execute. Certainly that's the case for Germany and Central European parliamentary systems I know a little bit more of. Might be different in the US but we are talking about the EU now.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU is not and never (on human time scales) will be, as there is no appetite for a federal union in many member states and unanimity would be required.
Anything can happen in the same way as it happened with Maastricht and the Euro: cooperating countries would just go forward with new entities that inherit the previous institutions, dissolving or mothballing old entities. In the long run, the hard core inevitably wins. Anything that includes France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, will inevitably drag everyone else one way or another.
Yet several EU members still don't use the Euro and will not use it for the foreseeable future. So the hard core didn't win?