wow I thought everyone knew this. I ran the 110mb.com infra and that domain and subdomains were blocked in messenger. years ago that was.
Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).
I am a musician who would never deal with RIAA, instead we put both our albums on The Pirate Bay to download and spread for free. Now I cannot link to those albums in Microsoft software because they censor all links? That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes society not the sharing and copying of files.
Can you link them here?
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This pretty surprising. Given the industry standard with mining similar communications I'm surprised that Apple gave up a gigantic pool of user information like that.
Follow the money. Collecting user information is (in most cases) a distraction for Apple that could blow up in their face and lead to a serious PR fallout. See locationgate. See Path's address book shenanigans. It's in their best interest not only not to secretly collect user information, they also want to show that they care about stuff like that (because then they can point their finger at others). Apple cares abou…
locationgate is actually what gave me the impression that this would be relevant to them. You make persuasive points though.
Incidentally, I'm not so convinced that collecting user information leads to as big of a PR fallout as HN often suggests. I think it's more likely that the level to which our community -- which is small compared to the general UB -- gets upset makes it easy for us to overestimate public reaction. See: facebook and gmail. I'm not very familiar with Path though. Has there been much of an impact since the phonebook incident?
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People who frequently have to clean out their parents' computers because they wanted to watch something, and ended up joining a botnet.
+1 Tech people detect malware with bare eyes,average users do this by installing the malware.
> average users do this by installing the malware
And even then, I'd say they only detect it 50% of the time, at best.
Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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People who frequently have to clean out their parents' computers because they wanted to watch something, and ended up joining a botnet.
+1 Tech people detect malware with bare eyes,average users do this by installing the malware.
> average users do this by installing the malware
And even then, I'd say they only detect it 50% of the time, at best.
Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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To be fair, there is a lot of malware masquerading as The Lion King.torrent. They may not care about the piracy aspect; they may just want their users to have less malware on their computers, especially since Windows machines seem to be a prime target for botnets.
Censorship is never the right solution, though. That would be education.
I don't disagree, but how would you implement this?
Results trump ideals every time.
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Yeah, because I just can't stand to pay an enormous amount like $10 or $20 for that book or album I really have to have. I think it's unreasonable to expect people who make things to be able to profit from them for more than 5 years. Hell, why don't we make all property expire after 5 or 10 years? Please don't take the sarcasm personally; it was just the best way to illustrate my point.
> Yeah, because I just can't stand to pay an enormous amount like $10 or $20 for that book or album I really have to have. This isn't about listening to something or reading something. It's about the ability to remix and build upon it. > I think it's unreasonable to expect people who make things to be able to profit from them for more than 5 years. It doesn't matter, because most people don't profit from their works…
"This isn't about listening to something or reading something. It's about the ability to remix and build upon it."
This kind of statement does not help your case at all.
Pirate Bay is not about remix culture. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Saying that it is just makes every single thing you say on the topic suspect.
I'm not in favor of the kind of restriction we see dicussed in this article. I'm against sopa/pipa/acta style approaches. But I also know that copying music and movies is 99.99% about getting something for free, not about remixing. So please. Be honest here.
Otherwise you just make the other side's arguments more powerful.
Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).
I am a musician who would never deal with RIAA, instead we put both our albums on The Pirate Bay to download and spread for free. Now I cannot link to those albums in Microsoft software because they censor all links? That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes society not the sharing and copying of files.
I agree that it's a shame, but rather than blaming the RIAA, I blame it on the pirates. The widespread acceptance of piracy among users of BitTorrent is what is ruining BitTorrent, not people asserting their voluntarily-granted contractual rights (RIAA).
That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes
Actually, by flinging about these terms in an incorrect manner, you are damaging the ability of real defenders of free speech to actually defend free speech. You see, MS is just a company; they can make their software work as they want; that is their right to free speech being excercised. If you don't like it, use different software. Only the government (or, indirectly, entities that have achieved governmental capture) can actually infringe on free speech.
Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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Yeah, because I just can't stand to pay an enormous amount like $10 or $20 for that book or album I really have to have. I think it's unreasonable to expect people who make things to be able to profit from them for more than 5 years. Hell, why don't we make all property expire after 5 or 10 years? Please don't take the sarcasm personally; it was just the best way to illustrate my point.
It's actually quite interesting to think about with respect to real property. For example, many Native American tribes couldn't conceive of the idea that one person could own the land; it simply didn't match their mental model. As a result, they ended up ceding, practically, the entire lower 48 states to the European immigrants.
That's not quite true.
Understanding the Native Americans from an anthropological point of view indicated the Land owned them. The Land provided food, water, shelter, warmth, entertainment, animals, and other things.
The trade of Manhattan for wampum beads is a perfect example: The European thought he got a killer deal because an island was worth far more than those beads. The Native thought, 'the land will be here after he dies, as he belongs to the land'. The native got a better deal because it wasn't a trade.
Native Americans of all the tribes had a very strong sense of ownership. If that was not the case, the Natives would have not signed treaties indicating that this is "X's territory".
Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger
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> Yeah, because I just can't stand to pay an enormous amount like $10 or $20 for that book or album I really have to have. This isn't about listening to something or reading something. It's about the ability to remix and build upon it. > I think it's unreasonable to expect people who make things to be able to profit from them for more than 5 years. It doesn't matter, because most people don't profit from their works…
This isn't about listening to something or reading something. It's about the ability to remix and build upon it. Yes, those pirate bay users are all about remixing and building upon stuff... /s How about inventing something new?
There is nothing new under the sun. Nearly everything is a remix of older ideas. Even many of Shakespeare's plays were retellings of popular contemporary stories — we wouldn't have Romeo & Juliet if not for the less copyright-crazy era that he lived in. Your suggestion would work better if it were in response to "20 years isn't long enough for a copyright term."