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Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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So I did my first part in trying to support everyone who dislikes this as much as I do. I cancelled my Prime and I will try to not purchase anything from Amazon for a year. It's not much, but it's something. I invite everyone to do the same.

I love Amazon and will continue to use their store. Just adding some balance here. I don’t immediately watch a clip and decide to protest.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Godwin himself has also criticized the overapplication of the law, claiming that it does not articulate a fallacy, but rather is intended to reduce the frequency of inappropriate and hyperbolic comparisons. "

In this case it is hyperbolic. Amazon is many bad things, but Nazis they are not (I shouldn't have to say that).

I don't think the original comparison was inapt -- the video is hard evidence of appalling and disgusting propaganda. It will not be viewed kindly by history.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easily the most disingenuous double-speak in the video. They aren't anti-union in principle, just against any union at Amazon?

It's legalese; they CANNOT be anti-union because the law says so, but they can doublespeak their way around it. This video's script has been thoroughly vetted by a team of legal experts to make sure it conveys an anti-union stance, without saying it out loud and making them liable for union busting.

How can they be banned from having a position on unions? What legislation proscribes that? How has this legislation survived legal challenges on constitutional grounds?

Does it apply to NGOs and political parties?

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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post #8

So I did my first part in trying to support everyone who dislikes this as much as I do. I cancelled my Prime and I will try to not purchase anything from Amazon for a year. It's not much, but it's something. I invite everyone to do the same.

I love Amazon and will continue to use their store. Just adding some balance here. I don’t immediately watch a clip and decide to protest.

So … this clip is the first bad thing you’ve seen about Amazon and its business practices? Are you one of the 10,000 that is just learning about Amazon today?

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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> were not anti-union, but we're not neutral So pro-union?

On its own, that sentence doesn't seem self-contradictory per se, even if they're not pro-union. It's like an employee saying "I'm not anti-employer, but I'm not neutral" (when it comes to salary negotiations), or an activist saying "I'm not anti-government, but I'm not neutral" (when it comes to government powers). It just means you're not arguing against the existence or operation of that entity, as you acknowledge they clearly have an important role to play, but that you have conflicting interests, so you're clearly advocating for your side to advance your own interests.

However, the rest of the video makes it clear they're against the very existence of their employees forming any union whatsoever, which seems pretty clearly anti-union...

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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post #33
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easily the most disingenuous double-speak in the video. They aren't anti-union in principle, just against any union at Amazon?

I've felt the same way about several employers, actually. I'm not anti-union in principle, but I was anti-union at specific jobs and pro-union in others. The line is about whether management treats employees fairly. If an employer has reasonable policies, feedback channels, wages, benefits, etc. and employees have reasonable bargaining power, then unions are usually counterproductive. If an employer abuses employees…

It's because the US do not have unions covering the whole population, it's mostly segregated per industry. I'm part of an union, but it's absolutely not for my or in a confrontation agaisnt my direct employer. Howver, i have comrades (dockers recently) that had to strike, and this allowed me, a tech worker, to support them.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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post #8

So I did my first part in trying to support everyone who dislikes this as much as I do. I cancelled my Prime and I will try to not purchase anything from Amazon for a year. It's not much, but it's something. I invite everyone to do the same.

I love Amazon and will continue to use their store. Just adding some balance here. I don’t immediately watch a clip and decide to protest.

The reaction to this specific clip is merely a synecdoche of the reaction to Amazon's labor practices writ large. If you were following the news about the unionization efforts at Amazon warehouses at all you would know the lengths to which Amazon makes their employees' lives painful. Extremely high injury rates compared to other warehouse jobs, the complete dehumanization experienced in the automated system of quantifying "operational excellence" or whatever euphemism they want to call "invasive tracking and computer-defined evaluation", etc. And if you have friends who work in Amazon corporate, you would know the culture there is generally (though there are exceptions) one that encourages petty politicking, ruthless subjugation to inappropriate KPIs, and the negging-overwork-burnout pipeline engendered by the management style encouraged from above.

Amazon succeeds by extracting ruthlessly in all domains. Generally when people understand the scope of these issues, it's only the Land acolytes and the psychopaths who consider Amazon's rise as "progress" unqualified.

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