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Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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This is beyond disgusting, and definitely not acceptable. So much for being "the world's best employer". I want to dig a hole and bury myself from the embarrassment of being associated with this company.

Wait until you learn what happens to returned packages.

Wait, what happens to returned packages? Now I'm curious about that too.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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I have so many ambivalent feelings about the whole IT / Silicon Valley sector. Although many people are interested and even passionate about technology, I feel we can’t look away from the bigger picture in which it operates. I support a startup - that wants to ethical - on AWS, owned by a union buster that exploits people and - like many other companies - gets rich through wage theft. Airbnb has been a negative influ…

> Airbnb has been a negative influence on the housing market airbnb exposed the fact the societies are full of nimbys and politicians are useless. all while providing a good alternative to hotels. > Uber, well, do I even need to discuss that one? uber is amazing. it completely undercut the monopolies of the taxi companies. it provides an amazing service at a reasonable price. > our centuries old nemesis: Capitalism.…

Humans are better off now primarily because the imperial jackboot has been lifted off the neck of the india and china (which, together, contain quite a lot of people) and that has led to a rebound in their living conditions dragging up the averages.

Sure, you can call the chinese communist party the biggest driver of wealth, education, and health in our time if you want. But I view them as parasites exploiting the labour of a billion chinese people.

There is little doubt that development could proceed just as well without the exploitation and extraction performed by a layer of fabulously wealthy parasites. In fact, it would probably do better since less of the wealth would be being sequestered into nonproductive activity like luxury yachts, sex slavers, and what not, and would be available for reinvestment instead.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Godwin himself has also criticized the overapplication of the law, claiming that it does not articulate a fallacy, but rather is intended to reduce the frequency of inappropriate and hyperbolic comparisons. "

In this case it is hyperbolic. Amazon is many bad things, but Nazis they are not (I shouldn't have to say that).

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#56

Transcript: Welcome! We're excited to have you at this training, specifically designed to give you the tools you need for success when it comes to labor organizing. During this course, we will cover important topics such as our position on unions, associate's rights, signs of employee disengagement, and how to identify, escalate, and address associate's concerns. We're not anti-union, but we're not neutral either. We…

Who makes up this stuff?

> 'The most obvious signs would include use of words associative with unions or union-led movements such as 'living wage' or 'steward.'

Talking about making a living wage is dangerous to shareholders now?

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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post #52

If I was leaking that I'd be afraid of Amazon including steganography in the video or sound sources, they have the resources to do that to identify leaks.

Fair, though it's simultaneously showing the risk is losing a terrible job.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#58

Why do they call employees, "associates"?

Not quite doublespeak, but forced language, like how "shellshock" was changed to "battle fatigue" and then to "post-traumatic stress disorder" (George Carlin has a great set about that). But it's really effective in changing the mindset. You're not just an employee or a laborer, you're a partner, we're in this together! Or another take on it; in Scrum, during the retrospective, you don't list things that were shit, y…

PTSD is a better term because it can come from a wide variety of sources, many of which have nothing to do with war or combat. It also recognises the disorder part explicitly (most people who go through traumatic experiences don't end up with PTSD) as well as its place in time (after the trauma, not during it, which is very unclear with 'shellshock' or 'battle fatigue').

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easily the most disingenuous double-speak in the video. They aren't anti-union in principle, just against any union at Amazon?

I've felt the same way about several employers, actually. I'm not anti-union in principle, but I was anti-union at specific jobs and pro-union in others. The line is about whether management treats employees fairly. If an employer has reasonable policies, feedback channels, wages, benefits, etc. and employees have reasonable bargaining power, then unions are usually counterproductive. If an employer abuses employees…

for myself, the line is usually drawn right around how a boss would respond to you stepping out for an hour to deal with something at a normal non-critical time (or leaving early, or arriving late). If they're prying trying to figure out what could possibly be so important that I dare disrespect them like that, its usually indicative of a severe culture problem between management and workers. If they trust me as a professional to meet my deadlines, then it's probably not much use to unionise.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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So I did my first part in trying to support everyone who dislikes this as much as I do. I cancelled my Prime and I will try to not purchase anything from Amazon for a year. It's not much, but it's something. I invite everyone to do the same.

For those that want to follow, what are good online shopping alternatives? I find that most people I talk to are drawn to Amazon simply because Amazon has managed to set an expectation of fast deliver, often as little as same-day delivery in areas that have a warehouse nearby (like the one I live in). I make every effort to shop local, or find alternative places to order online, but one cannot argue the convenience A…

Check the more direct producers/distributors. Either the producer itself is likely to list the shops stocking their stuff, or sell it directly. Worst case, just search for "buy (the thing you want) (location)" and you'll likely find a place.

Otherwise, eBay is quite good around my area.

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