> you, reader, use credit cards in preference to debit cards as a payment instrument Reader from Europe here. I use debit cards for daily payments, that's just the most standard expected payment method in Europe (with mobile payments now replacing it. Is a mobile payment app more like a debit or like a credit card? I have no idea actually!). But credit cards for online payments on the internet because (despite some d…
The difference I see is that in Europe, at least where I live, at the end of the month the bank will charge your bank account with the full amount of whatever is the balance of your credit card. If you have no money you will go into overdraft and that’s about it, you basically have a problem and the bank will keep nagging about that overdraft if you don’t have an agreement. The goal is to use the “credit” of the cred…
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#242> I will bet you that, in practice, they simply avoid collecting against anyone who demonstrates ability and financial resources to enforce their rights. This is one for the history books of borked equilibriums. We devoted substantial efforts to pro-consumer legislation to address abuse of (mostly) poor people. We gated redress behind labor that is abundantly available in the professional managerial class and scarce…
The welfare system requires more than a minimal amount of paperwork, and a lot of people are surprisingly bad with paperwork. Then you have immigrants who don't have access to this system, or are afraid to use it.
I guess you're writing for a class of people for whom this is easier. But perhaps a more informative view of the situation, rather than saying "people are bad at this" may instead be to realise that if you're able to deal with this sort of stuff without issue, you are very likely in the minority (very few are as good at this as us). This can perhaps inform how you feel about certain requirements for certain programs.
As an illustrative example, a great many otherwise highly capable people who are able to write impressive art or fiction (including for example, many famous musicians and authors) struggle mightily with contracts and managers on the regular.
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#243One thing that's not mentioned in this article is that credit card companies will sometimes make last-ditch "clear your debt at a discount" offers before passing your debt on to a collection agency. This happened to me many years ago. In the wake of the '08 financial crisis, I'd lost my job abruptly and decided to go travelling. I'd accumulated a balance that was fairly substantial for me at the time (on the order of…
This is because debt collection is a terrible deal: debt like this sells for a very steep discount, because debt collectors generally have a low rate of success of collecting. They essentially rely on apathy, ignorance, or compliance from the debtor, and if there's any resistance put up they essentially just write it off as it's no longer worth the effort (especially because debt collectors often don't have any actua…
I have a policy of simply ignoring these.
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#244> you, reader, use credit cards in preference to debit cards as a payment instrument Reader from Europe here. I use debit cards for daily payments, that's just the most standard expected payment method in Europe (with mobile payments now replacing it. Is a mobile payment app more like a debit or like a credit card? I have no idea actually!). But credit cards for online payments on the internet because (despite some d…
Edit: it's possible that this is an issue of semantics. My cards have been debit cards in every sense of the term - they are labelled as such, are linked to a specific current account, and debit it immediately - but I don't think any of mine have actually said Visa/Mastercard Debit. So strictly speaking they may be implemented as a sort of instant-clearing credit card - essentially shimming debit onto credit infra. I don't know a whole lot about the finance industry or its tech, so if anyone can chip in please do
Edit 2: Ah, my current one does have "debit" in the MC hologram on the back
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Singapore has only recently become affluent, mostly thanks to hard work by the locals, but also partially thanks to policies that did not discourage people from putting in that hard work. I'm not sure what you mean by monocultural? Singapore is famously multicultural. Singapore is very open to foreigners. Almost no one's family has been here for longer than three or four generations. I'm not sure where you get xenoph…
> To call them 'borderline fascist' you'd need a rather torturous definition of fascism (or a generous definition of borderline). Does hanging people arrested with small enough amounts of drugs that you'd get a relatively minor punishment in the U.S. not at least toe the borderline of fascism?
Sometimes people get all upset when they hear some of these characterisations, because they personally think family ought to be more important, or that people are ignoring a proud shared history. Maybe they feel that beuracracy and comittee meetings have led to overcomplexity. It turns out as with anything else these things are perfectly fine and not bad until this way of thinking becomes the sole goal of the leading class, they become highly authoritarian, and it lashes out more and more at any percieved imperfection in society regardless of severity.
Does this fit with singapore, to a greater or lesser extent? I really don't know. But I understand why people would feel annoyed by simplifying it down to "strong laws against drugs"
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a heads up for people living in the EU, it is possible to have things like negative credit ratings removed on grounds of GPRD.
Do you have a source that specifically states I can get a bad debt scrubbed from my credit rating under GDPR provisions? It doesn’t match my understating of GDPR at all.
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#247One nit. The author wrote "... the impression among many informed people that most defaulted debt is medically-related is the result of successful advocacy work rather than being substantially based in reality." Followed by links to illustrate the magnitude of credit card debt and some facts about medical debt in the US.
I worked for several years for a company that provides mandatory bankruptcy counseling. Debtors considering personal bankruptcy must, by law (thanks to lobbying by the credit card industry) complete a counseling/personal finance course. I could write about that fake and fraudulent process and the industry that sprung up around it (unfunded mandate, anyone?) but I'll stick to the point.
The main reason people give for considering or starting a bankruptcy filing is medical debt. Their other debts, mostly credit cards, mortgages, utilities, etc. may total to much more than the medical debt, but medical debt has more urgency. Hospitals and their corporate owners can get very aggressive collecting debts, and the same consumers that patio11 describes often fear they will lose access to their physicians, hospital, clinic, and prescriptions if they default on medical debt. So they let the credit cards and cell phone bills slide and scrape to pay the medical bills. Medical debt triggers a bigger financial meltdown, maybe leading to bankruptcy, in other words, even though it doesn't amount to nearly as much as mortgage or credit card debt.
A lot of medical expenses get charged to credit cards, as anyone who has visited a hospital, clinic, urgent care center, or pharmacy knows. The first thing you get asked at a clinic, lab, or hospital in the US is how you will pay, and if you don't have good insurance you can expect to pay up front for non-emergency or diagnostic procedures. When my grandmother died I helped clear up her finances, including paying off and closing her credit card accounts. After a long illness she had racked up thousands on credit cards, all to pharmacies and labs. That all shows up as consumer credit card debt, not medical debt.
Personal bankruptcy counseling has some of the same depressing call center aspects patio11 describes: Tales of woe, often heartbreaking to hear. Confused consumers not sure how much they owe, or to whom. Threats and intimidation from debt collectors. Debt collectors calling days after a spouse dies asserting the survivor has to pay immediately. The people who end up in bankruptcy counseling, very often poor, uneducated, and/or elderly, frequently fall prey to the bottom-feeding law firms that specialize in the field, charging hundreds or thousands of dollars for their "services," that amount to filling out boilerplate forms and filing them with the court, pulling credit reports, and getting kickbacks for sending their clients to a bankruptcy counseling provider. The government encourages bankruptcy counseling firms to push debtors into debt repayment plans or Chapter 13 bankruptcy, which are almost always going to benefit the creditors without offering much relief to the debtor.
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#248> you, reader, use credit cards in preference to debit cards as a payment instrument Reader from Europe here. I use debit cards for daily payments, that's just the most standard expected payment method in Europe (with mobile payments now replacing it. Is a mobile payment app more like a debit or like a credit card? I have no idea actually!). But credit cards for online payments on the internet because (despite some d…
The difference I see is that in Europe, at least where I live, at the end of the month the bank will charge your bank account with the full amount of whatever is the balance of your credit card. If you have no money you will go into overdraft and that’s about it, you basically have a problem and the bank will keep nagging about that overdraft if you don’t have an agreement. The goal is to use the “credit” of the cred…
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#250Or, how to describe a nation living on credit. In Europe, we still prefer to use debit cards for normal payments. It's really scary how much power banks and other financial insitutions have in the US. Of course, they are almost as powerful in Europe.