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Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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reducesuffering wrote: post #8
zhengiszen wrote: post #7

The irony is that he literally helped bomb Iraq (he was Clinton's vice president) for the same oil he's critical about now... What solutions he suggests besides green capitalism ? Hypocrisy is an art

Are you talking about the First Gulf War that he was Clinton's VP for? The one where Iraq invaded Kuwait, and we freed Kuwait from the Iraqi army, destroyed their scud missiles they rained on civilians, and then left keeping Iraq intact?

Also, the one that happened during George H.W. Bush's presidency?

Or maybe it's the second one, which happened during George W. Bush's presidency?

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. And definitely an opportunity to score political points.

Yes, oil drilling companies made a lot of money from extracting and selling fossil fuels. Yes, those fossil fuels, once burned, created the mess we are in now. But we were the guys who burned them, we are equally culpable.

Instead of appealing to moral outrage, a much simple and equitable solution would be to pass a carbon tax.

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by pstuart »

credit_guy wrote: post #12

It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. And definitely an opportunity to score political points. Yes, oil drilling companies made a lot of money from extracting and selling fossil fuels. Yes, those fossil fuels, once burned, created the mess we are in now. But we were the guys who burned them, we are equally culpable. Instead of appealing to moral outrage, a much simple and equit…

> It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war.

I believe the class war maneuvers are coming from the other side, in making climate change a "liberal issue"; therefore it is something to be dismissed and derided.

And your answer is carbon tax? That's it? It may help a bit but doesn't address the core issue which is we need to stop using fossil fuels, which means actively investing in alternative energy production and management.

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by suction »

credit_guy wrote: post #12

It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. And definitely an opportunity to score political points. Yes, oil drilling companies made a lot of money from extracting and selling fossil fuels. Yes, those fossil fuels, once burned, created the mess we are in now. But we were the guys who burned them, we are equally culpable. Instead of appealing to moral outrage, a much simple and equit…

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Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by pstuart »

zhengiszen wrote: post #7

The irony is that he literally helped bomb Iraq (he was Clinton's vice president) for the same oil he's critical about now... What solutions he suggests besides green capitalism ? Hypocrisy is an art

Do you understand what powers the VP has?

Do you realize that changing one's mind on new evidence is a sign of intelligence?

Do you understand what he's pitching and that the TED talk was just a focus on the fundamentals of the problem (e.g., fossil fuels are a problem and we need to get off them)?

Do you know what an ad-hominem attack is, and why they are used?

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by GoToRO »

credit_guy wrote: post #12

It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. And definitely an opportunity to score political points. Yes, oil drilling companies made a lot of money from extracting and selling fossil fuels. Yes, those fossil fuels, once burned, created the mess we are in now. But we were the guys who burned them, we are equally culpable. Instead of appealing to moral outrage, a much simple and equit…

Same companies made an ad with a wind turbine on top of Eiffel Tower to mock wind energy. Same companies had direct access to real studies and knew the truth. Meanwhile people were lied constantly. So no, we are not equally culpable.

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by credit_guy »

pstuart wrote: post #13
credit_guy wrote: post #12

It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. And definitely an opportunity to score political points. Yes, oil drilling companies made a lot of money from extracting and selling fossil fuels. Yes, those fossil fuels, once burned, created the mess we are in now. But we were the guys who burned them, we are equally culpable. Instead of appealing to moral outrage, a much simple and equit…

> It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. I believe the class war maneuvers are coming from the other side, in making climate change a "liberal issue"; therefore it is something to be dismissed and derided. And your answer is carbon tax? That's it? It may help a bit but doesn't address the core issue which is we need to stop using fossil fuels, which means actively investing in a…

But we are actively investing in green energy production. This year (2023) 85% of the new generation capacity is the US is solar, wind, batteries and nuclear, the remaining 15% coming from natural gas [1]. Virtually all the retired capacity was coal (60%) and natural gas (30%). In the US we are moving away from fossil fuels, and we'll get to net zero well ahead of the 2050 target date.

What's Al Gore's problem then? It's easiest to score political points by stoking hate. "How can these guys murder the planet?", basically. Well, these guys are just engaging in a legal and profitable activity. If you don't want them to do that activity, make it illegal or unprofitable (by taxing it). Instead of that, he's trying to shame them out of doing it. Good luck with that.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=57340

Re: Al Gore: What the Fossil Fuel Industry Doesn't Want You to Know [video]

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Post by pstuart »

credit_guy wrote: post #19
pstuart wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It looks like for Al Gore climate change is an opportunity to wage class war. I believe the class war maneuvers are coming from the other side, in making climate change a "liberal issue"; therefore it is something to be dismissed and derided. And your answer is carbon tax? That's it? It may help a bit but doesn't address the core issue which is we need to stop using fossil fuels, which means actively investing in a…

But we are actively investing in green energy production. This year (2023) 85% of the new generation capacity is the US is solar, wind, batteries and nuclear, the remaining 15% coming from natural gas [1]. Virtually all the retired capacity was coal (60%) and natural gas (30%). In the US we are moving away from fossil fuels, and we'll get to net zero well ahead of the 2050 target date. What's Al Gore's problem then?…

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