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New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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I am curious what sort of physical preparation the driver (Kate Maggetti) did to train for these runs, if any? Surprisingly the average g-force is just under 3 g.

From my FSAE days, she is likely the lightest engineer on the team. It was standard for the lightest team member to do the acceleration runs. The car is about 300lbs so it makes a difference.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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The impressive thing to me is the level of traction needed to do something like this. It seems they're taking old tricks and building a "sucker car". https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a32350/jim-hall-cha... Still neat stuff. Race sanctioning bodies will need to update their rules or these will just be one off bragging rights.

These cars stem from the Formula Student, which since 2022 has re-allowed the previously forbidden "powered ground effect". But this car has an upgraded battery and powertrain beyond what the rules allow and they maybe also use tire warmers and potentially rubber/glue on the launch surface/tires

A photo shows them using tire warmers and they're running Hoosiers, which are incredibly sticky tires.

I have no idea what you're on about with "rubber/glue on the launch surface/tires." That's not a Thing.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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On a related note in the sports car community its been interesting to watch Acceleration stop being a mark of a performance car. There is even a lot of chatter around this being the end of the supercar segment since there are family wagons that can now do 2 second 0-60 runs. On top of that the speed is now too much for anyone to reasonably use off a drag strip or circuit. Now there is a huge emphasis on engagement, d…

Indeed. It's a case of "my favorite kind of car isn't the best performing anymore, but I refuse to accept that, so I'm going to change the definition of performance instead."

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Speed = ∫(acceleration) dt

Derivatives of relative displacement as defined by a distance metric in a [e.g. metric tensor] space: Length = Point2 - Point1 Length * Time^-1 = Velocity or Speed Length * Time^-2 = Acceleration Length * Time^-3 = Jerk Length * Time^-4 = Snap or Jounce Length * Time^-5 = Crackle Length * Time^-6 = Pop Displacement (geometry) > Derivatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_(geometry)#Deriva... Fourth, fifth…

Something weird about this is that humans very often ascribe the sensation of d^ns/dt^n, to feeling d^n-1s/dt^n-1.

So people will say that something which accelerates quickly is 'fast'. Or they will say, when they feel themselves initially being pressed back into their seat as a plane starts its takeoff roll, that they are experiencing 'acceleration' when what they are experiencing is actually jerk.

The thing is, you can't actually feel motion at a constant speed - so the only thing that tells you you are acquiring speed is your body's experience of acceleration - so when you feel yourself accelerating, you associate that with speed. Likewise, your body also can't really tell the difference between constant acceleration and just... being at a different angle, and maybe a bit heavier than normal. So it's when you experience changes in the apparent direction of 'down' and the overall 'weight' you're feeling that you think 'oh, we're accelerating'.

My favorite way to get a sense of what acceleration, jerk and snap feel like is to focus on what happens when you're in a car that's braking hard. You're decelerating at a relatively constant rate while the brakes are applied - it feels as if 'down' is pointing slightly forward, meaning you'd be sliding off the seat if it weren't for your seatbelt holding you back. When the car finally stops though, there's a very abrupt change in acceleration - a 'jerk'. 'Down' switches to pointing straight down again, very quickly. You're pulled back into your seat. That's jerk. And specifically the sudden onset of that swing in what direction 'down' is pointing, and then its rapid disappearance is snap. Your body feels like it's being 'jerked' around when the car stops precisely because that motion has high snap - you experience a sudden high amount of jerk, then the jerk ends.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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...and lithium fires. Unfortunately, I think there will be pearl clutching and new rules that allow gas/diesel powered vehicles only "due to safety", at least my guess.

.....the what now? Have you watched any drag strip racing, like, ever? Cars regularly go up in flames. The suggestion that normal ICE cars would be allowed over EVs for "safety" is actively hilarious.

Yes, we all know that. The problem is that some people make ridiculous anti-EV "safety" rules anyway.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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One of the photos really brought something home to me. Where I would expect to see an axle or something to provide torque to wheels from the engine, there is just a yellow wire. I know that's how electric cars work. But something about it in the racing car context just brings it home to me - electricity just works differently to all our other intuitions about the world. Factories used to have bands and axels taking p…

> Factories used to have bands and axels taking power from one central steam engine to all corners of the building. And then they got redesigned once electricity came in.

Fascinating fact you might enjoy: many modern industrial facilities use compressed air to power many of the devices inside.

At a lot of Amazon facilities, a main compressor is somewhere on site keeping a large tank full. The compressed air is piped throughout the facility[0], and used to power a lot of moving parts in an open loop, making a distinctive 'hiss' sound[1] as the device moves and releases air. Not everything, certainly, but a lot of simple devices that need to move quickly and with some force.

It's all computer controlled and yes, electricity is a major part- but the driving force is coming from compressed air. And that's pretty neat.

[0] (Or so it was explained to me by the controls tech guys there)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Hf08XrI_A (the first 30 seconds or so it's really noticeable).

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Aren't electric cars bound to beat any dragster car eventually? You get max torque instantly.

Depends on how fast you can release that energy from the batteries. Not as instant. Chemical explosions are rapid.

They could boost with super capacitors.

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Modern motors get lighter in part because they can offer lower torque with a smaller rotor but compensate with higher rpm. That’s not possible for a hub motor

Can you compensate smaller rotor with larger stator (magnet), so rpm could stay the same? And why you cannot have small hub motor with high voltage (kilovolts) and very high rpm?

Torque is directly proportional to radius, all other factors being equal. There are practical limits on the strength of the magnetic force because you can only cram so many amps through a confined space, which is even more confined on a small motor.

It will still make high power at high RPMs, but you have to gear it down to convert that power into more torque at low speeds. A gearbox makes it not really a Hub Motor at all any more. Terminology aside, a gearbox also adds even more weight and complexity inside the wheel. For less weight and complexity you can use a half-shaft to the center of the vehicle and use whatever motor you want inboard.

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