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New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Impressive but for reference, about half the acceleration of a Top Fuel dragster, which are also still getting faster. Here's Brittany Force who holds the current records (fastest time, fastest speed): https://www.nhra.com/news/2022/brittany-force-sets-national-... 0 to 338.43 mph in 3.665 seconds over 1000 feet. (The cars got too fast for 1,320 feet and have been racing 1000 feet since 2008.)

Aren't electric cars bound to beat any dragster car eventually? You get max torque instantly.

Drag cars are slipping a clutch for the first 800 feet or so. Totally traction limited, not torque/power limited.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#232
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> Factories used to have bands and axels taking power from one central steam engine to all corners of the building. From my own experience: a popular home woodworker tool from the middle of the 20th century is a Shop Smith. It had a motor that you would couple to the various mounted attachments to run the lathe or the band saw or the table saw etc one tool at a time. I guess part of the appeal was certainly the size…

Tractors, still widely used today, as essentially a mobile version of this. One of the main purposes of a tractor, compared to other farm vehicles, is that it has a power take-off [0] to enable the engine to drive other farm implements like combines. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_take-off

that's actually a great point! In all of those cases the weight and breakdownability of having another motor in the tool attached to the tractor seems like a real hassle compared to a PTO.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#234
post #68

Impressive but for reference, about half the acceleration of a Top Fuel dragster, which are also still getting faster. Here's Brittany Force who holds the current records (fastest time, fastest speed): https://www.nhra.com/news/2022/brittany-force-sets-national-... 0 to 338.43 mph in 3.665 seconds over 1000 feet. (The cars got too fast for 1,320 feet and have been racing 1000 feet since 2008.)

Aren't electric cars bound to beat any dragster car eventually? You get max torque instantly.

Thinking out loud, but it's mostly power to weight ratio isn't it?

With batteries currently being less energy dense than fuel, can an electric car be faster?

Now there's more to the vehicles than just the energy supply, so I suppose if an electric car could harness battery power more efficiently (i.e. with less weight) than an ICE powered vehicle, it could be faster?

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#236
post #189

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I use calculators plenty, but I neither have that one installed nor use it. On my PC, I use either grpn or units. More often, I pull out my HP 48G+.

GRPN for anyone else who doesn't know it: http://lashwhip.com/grpn.html What I meant to say is that, if one uses a featureful calculator like qalc, then you get unit conversion included without needing two separate utilities. Of course, if you've used a(n obscure) calculator for decades then it may be easier to learn to use a separate unit convertor instead

In my usage, GNU units appears to be more featureful than qalc. For example I noticed that qalc lacks many definitions that I often use, such as energy density (eg. "gasoline"), mass density (eg. "golddensity"), energy units (eg. "therm"), astronomy (eg. "earthradius", "solarmass"), etc. And GNU units works just fine as a calculator.

So, from my viewpoint, qalc is the "separate utility" that I don't need ;-)

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#237
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Easily one of the most dangerous bit of farm equipment. I’ve seen several people killed by getting their hand/arm in a PTO shaft.

You might be the only person on the planet who's witnessed several of those, if you mean first-hand.

They're still incredibly dangerous. Even with all the safety guards you've got 50-300hp being directed to a free-space shaft.

When we got a mower we went with a flail mower because we'd be mowing near neighbors and a bush hog(giant lawnmower blade style mower) will happily pick up a rock and send it with enough force to easily kill someone at a good distance. Flails tend to throw less things(which is why highway maintenance use them for mowing along the road).

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#238
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The dragsters need to have a complete engine tear-down after nearly every run, regularly explode in a giant ball of flame, etc.

I thought maybe this was a superficial tear-down but nope, it's a whole heckin teardown and measurement of components and relubing and cleaning and etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1RYmUxUqso Also the end of this video gives an awesome perspective that really shows the insane speed of these cars.

They pulled some type of rotary pump thingy out of that monster that ran the entire length of the engine. I'd never seen anything like that and had to look it up. It's a supercharger; a glorified air compressor. That air pump uses more HP than your average supercar.

Holy hell.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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On a related note in the sports car community its been interesting to watch Acceleration stop being a mark of a performance car. There is even a lot of chatter around this being the end of the supercar segment since there are family wagons that can now do 2 second 0-60 runs. On top of that the speed is now too much for anyone to reasonably use off a drag strip or circuit. Now there is a huge emphasis on engagement, d…

Honestly I'd bet that anything at or below a 9s 1/4 mile is physically painful. It's gotta feel like getting thrown into a padded wall.

The maths doesn't check out. A 9 second quarter mile is an average of well under 1g.

It is like lying on a bed except with less gravity than usual.

Of course it's not linear, but it's very unlikely to be more than 2g at any time. People can comfortably handle well over that in that direction of acceleration

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#240

One of the photos really brought something home to me. Where I would expect to see an axle or something to provide torque to wheels from the engine, there is just a yellow wire. I know that's how electric cars work. But something about it in the racing car context just brings it home to me - electricity just works differently to all our other intuitions about the world. Factories used to have bands and axels taking p…

The "instant" torque provided by electric motors compared to traditional IC/drivetrain systems is really sexy, but what is perhaps more useful is the vastly quicker power modulation that is possible with electric systems. Electric cars can manage traction control so much more precisely that they can do seemingly impossible things. This snow climb comparison between various Audis - IC and electric, demonstrated that e…

Even in mid range tech this is true. My fricken KIA of all things (EV6) has AWD and a ‘snow mode’ that is fucking magic.

Climbing an iced over driveway on a hill in Utah on vacation while $90k big ass trucks were abandoned at the foot of the hill was awesome.

I’ve had some very high end 4x4’s in my time and none of them could climb, stop or accelerate like this $50k hot hatch.

The instant response to all 4 wheels being updated at kilohertz is a whole other paradigm.

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