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New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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One of the photos really brought something home to me. Where I would expect to see an axle or something to provide torque to wheels from the engine, there is just a yellow wire. I know that's how electric cars work. But something about it in the racing car context just brings it home to me - electricity just works differently to all our other intuitions about the world. Factories used to have bands and axels taking p…

Kind of. This team is specifically using hub motors, thus bypassing the need for traditional axles. Hub motors are notoriously inefficient, though, so you don’t see them in normal BEVs which typically mount the motors near the center of the axle (as part of an “e-axle”). Basically, this team’s car is purpose built only for acceleration and thus gets away with doing things you wouldn’t see in cars that need to maintai…

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The use of hub motors is probably best when acceleration is paramount, but when handling starts to come into play (e.g., on road courses), it is likely best to bring the motors inboard and spend the extra weight and complexity of axles, as the unsprung weight outboard of the suspension is a serious detriment to handling.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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On a related note in the sports car community its been interesting to watch Acceleration stop being a mark of a performance car. There is even a lot of chatter around this being the end of the supercar segment since there are family wagons that can now do 2 second 0-60 runs. On top of that the speed is now too much for anyone to reasonably use off a drag strip or circuit. Now there is a huge emphasis on engagement, d…

This is really quite wrong. Performance car /= sports car. Sports cars are light and nimble by definition. They are usually fast, but this is not a rule. There have always been sedans that are faster in a straight line than most sports cars. There have always been sports cars that are not very fast at all. None of this is new, and claiming otherwise is ahistorical. Even back in the '60s, a sports car enthusiast would…

And the Tesla plaid is the fastest nurburgring sedan ever made.

Go ahead, say that's not a sports car.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Very cool, but also kind of impressive that a Tesla manages this in ~2.5 seconds while doing all the other stuff a production car does. What time would a Tesla get if you stripped out all the extra weight? (seats, glass, electronics, roof, etc. etc.) Video here (900 MB download): https://polybox.ethz.ch/index.php/s/uKWFRcBjtl4foEy/download... (couldn't find it on their YouTube page yet: https://www.youtube.com/@AMZFo…

Uh, Telsa plaid does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds

The 1.99* that Tesla reports is a 0-60mph on a VHT prepped surface (glue basically) with one foot of rollout deleted.

This is 0-100kph (0-62.1mph) on standard tarmac without any rollout which a plaid does in about 2.5 seconds.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-s-plaid-0-100-...

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Very cool, but also kind of impressive that a Tesla manages this in ~2.5 seconds while doing all the other stuff a production car does. What time would a Tesla get if you stripped out all the extra weight? (seats, glass, electronics, roof, etc. etc.) Video here (900 MB download): https://polybox.ethz.ch/index.php/s/uKWFRcBjtl4foEy/download... (couldn't find it on their YouTube page yet: https://www.youtube.com/@AMZFo…

>What time would a Tesla get if you striped out all the extra weight? (seats, glass, electronics, roof, etc. etc.) That's been done - you don't actually want to remove things like glass because the aerodynamic efficiency loss doesn't outweigh the weight removal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvGbus3yxo

There's still lots of extra weight on that Tesla! Take a look at this one lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z27t9uHp7nY

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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> Factories used to have bands and axels taking power from one central steam engine to all corners of the building. From my own experience: a popular home woodworker tool from the middle of the 20th century is a Shop Smith. It had a motor that you would couple to the various mounted attachments to run the lathe or the band saw or the table saw etc one tool at a time. I guess part of the appeal was certainly the size…

Tractors, still widely used today, as essentially a mobile version of this. One of the main purposes of a tractor, compared to other farm vehicles, is that it has a power take-off [0] to enable the engine to drive other farm implements like combines. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_take-off

I've never actually thought about what a tractor actually is. I've seen them in use and could roughly describe one but its actual purpose or intent was unknown to me until now.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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This is really quite wrong. Performance car /= sports car. Sports cars are light and nimble by definition. They are usually fast, but this is not a rule. There have always been sedans that are faster in a straight line than most sports cars. There have always been sports cars that are not very fast at all. None of this is new, and claiming otherwise is ahistorical. Even back in the '60s, a sports car enthusiast would…

And the Tesla plaid is the fastest nurburgring sedan ever made. Go ahead, say that's not a sports car.

If Nurburgring times are all we’re looking at, there are SUVs (ok, CUVs) that will destroy the times of “real sports cars”.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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I was sure you made a typo and meant 10000 feet, instead of 1000. But after checking, yeah, it makes sense to make the track shorter to avoid the cars reaching even more insane speeds.

they've been playing this trick with top-fuel dragsters for decades - the "speed" was measured far before the end of the course. I think it was to keep the speeds below 300mph to help with track insurance.

They had a choice, lengthen drag strips everywhere or decrease the length of the race. Because physics / braking distance.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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This is actually fairly common in Formula Student cars. They often use decoupled heave/roll suspension systems, where one spring/damper is for the heave of the entire axle and another one for the roll on the axle. It has some advantages over separate springs, but I'd have to ask our suspension guys. The graphics in this article show its function fairly well, but don't explain the calculations either https://www.marek…

Isn't the go-kart suspension still somewhat competitive, though? I'd heard of teams that have suspension travel for passing tech and then jack up the rates afterward.

Yes and yes
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