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New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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The impressive thing to me is the level of traction needed to do something like this. It seems they're taking old tricks and building a "sucker car". https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a32350/jim-hall-cha... Still neat stuff. Race sanctioning bodies will need to update their rules or these will just be one off bragging rights.

In Micromouse ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromouse ) - a competition where autonomous devices solve a mouse maze - the fastest competitors are all using fans to increase traction (and thus speed).

radicalbyte, you're absolutely right that the use of fans in Micromouse increases the traction, and therefore the speed at which the maze is solved. Suction allows for impressive performances.

However, a small caveat that might be worth considering is that while the suction indeed increases speed, it might be more accurate to say that it primarily improves acceleration instead of car speed: The issue often lies with achieving rapid acceleration rather than with maintaining high speed. Even systems with relatively low traction can reach high speeds given enough time and distance, but the ability to accelerate quickly is crucial in competitions like Micromouse.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#92
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The impressive thing to me is the level of traction needed to do something like this. It seems they're taking old tricks and building a "sucker car". https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a32350/jim-hall-cha... Still neat stuff. Race sanctioning bodies will need to update their rules or these will just be one off bragging rights.

Had the same thought, 0-100kmph in 3sec gives so much wheel spin. Must be a whole lot of electronic trickery ever invented from launch control, traction control to power management plus the mechanical stuff sticky tyres, down force.

It amazes me how much faster we have got the last 6-7 years.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#93
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Acceleration was never really the top metric for super cars. It was more performance at high speeds, with high end cars like the Bugatti Chiron Supersport 300+ going up to 489 kmph (that is a lot in case you wonder). Part of the super car segment will go electric, that is for sure, but I do not see the end of the super car. Look at luxury watches. They are booming despite a Casio GShock with Multiband beating the shi…

Super car segment is well below Bugatti. Thats a 2.5 million dollar car. Super cars are between 150k usedish and a million. Plus a lot of other vague definitions. Most people say call the 911 the dividing line of a supercar and top of the sports car range. In general this segment is dying off, chasis are being reused for 10+ years in the market, tons and tons of special edition and reissues. most of the new work is b…

I stand corrected, the Bugatti is a hypercar. It's a bit embarrassing considering that I was in the workshop where they make the Bugatti engines just a few weeks ago. Awesome experience btw, seems to be part of the standard factory tour at Volkswagen Salzgitter currently.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Who the hell would think that a 1s battery charging time with a racing car would make any sense at all?

Pit stop times matter, and supercapacitors exist. I'd love to watch that race, especially if the cars were sucker cars like the one in the article, and the drivers got to wear high-G fighter jet suits. The best supercapacitors apparently have 20x the energy density of the best batteries. Apparently, self-discharge can be as low as 20% per day, which rounds to zero for racing. They only cost 10x more than lithium batt…

> Pit stop times matter, and supercapacitors exist.

Imagine a pit "stop", where you keep your speed to 300km/h/200mph, and you have your on-board supercapacitor charged in 1 second, using a power transfer system borrowed from electric trains.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

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Thanks! I was about to ask how many Gs this translates too, my physics are a bit rusty...

In GNU units you can just do: $ units -t '100 kph / (.956s) / gravity' 2.9629132

Rather than teaching a separate utility, I would recommend qalc which has unit conversions built in :)

    $ qalc -t 100km/h / 0.956s to gee
    2.9629132 gees
(where -t is for terse mode; by default it expands unit abbreviations and adds parentheses so you see whether it did what you wanted)

The reason I recommend it is because it does so much more, I really love this utility since discovering it about a year ago. Example of using time notation combined with uncertainty and unit conversion:

    > (18:41 - 09:00+/-00:30) hours * 250 W to kWh
      (((1121 / 60) - (9±0.5)) * hour) * (250 * watt) =
      approx. (2.4208333±0.125) kW*h

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#96

How many football fields of acceleration is this?

It's *roughly* the gravitational acceleration at the surface of an Olympic-size swimming pool of electron-degenerate matter from a white dwarf star. Hope this helps!

(Note: the swimming pool has collapsed under its own weight and is now a sphere).

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#97
post #89
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8-wheels or more and tons of batteries

Remember the six wheeled Tyrrell P34 F1 racing car? Admittedly, ony the rear axis was driven, but that was one badass car (and it won a Grand Prix). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_P34

Yeah it was unforgettable. Also the Williams FW08B, but that was banned before racing.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/six-wheeled-formula-one-w...

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#98
post #31

> "To ensure strong traction right from the start, the AMZ team has developed a kind of vacuum cleaner that holds the vehicle down to the ground by suction." Traction is now the limiting factor, so better acceleration results will be driven (hah) by better traction.

Traction has always been the limiting factor in automotive performance.

There is a reason why a Civic Type R set a faster time than exotic cars of early 2010s, and thats because modern street tire compounds are as grippy as slick racing tires from those years. And now, race tires have a static friction coefficient greater than 1, because when warmed up they actually glue themselves to the road.

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#99
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post #23

Very cool, but also kind of impressive that a Tesla manages this in ~2.5 seconds while doing all the other stuff a production car does. What time would a Tesla get if you stripped out all the extra weight? (seats, glass, electronics, roof, etc. etc.) Video here (900 MB download): https://polybox.ethz.ch/index.php/s/uKWFRcBjtl4foEy/download... (couldn't find it on their YouTube page yet: https://www.youtube.com/@AMZFo…

>What time would a Tesla get if you striped out all the extra weight? (seats, glass, electronics, roof, etc. etc.) That's been done - you don't actually want to remove things like glass because the aerodynamic efficiency loss doesn't outweigh the weight removal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvGbus3yxo

What's the math on the weight vs the affect of drag at that level? Aero doesn't come much into play in 0-60.

"Drag karts" are becoming a thing and they do just fine

Re: New world record with an electric racing car: From 0 to 100 in 0.956 seconds

#100
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In GNU units you can just do: $ units -t '100 kph / (.956s) / gravity' 2.9629132

Rather than teaching a separate utility, I would recommend qalc which has unit conversions built in :) $ qalc -t 100km/h / 0.956s to gee 2.9629132 gees (where -t is for terse mode; by default it expands unit abbreviations and adds parentheses so you see whether it did what you wanted) The reason I recommend it is because it does so much more, I really love this utility since discovering it about a year ago. Example o…

The irony of advocating against a "separate utility", and then promoting a separate utility...
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