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NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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1. I looked up the phase diagram of water. If the mass is 10 times the earth, their athmospheric pressure might be one hundred times of ours. At that pressure, water boils at about 300°C. If ambient temperature is about 200°C then their chemistry would be completely incompatible with ours. And with hydrogen athmosphere anyway. 2. Re the Dark Forest hypothesis: maybe. They will discover our radio in about 60 years (as…

When I hear about life on alien planets I always think about bacteria, virus and other micro organisms.

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #61

1. I looked up the phase diagram of water. If the mass is 10 times the earth, their athmospheric pressure might be one hundred times of ours. At that pressure, water boils at about 300°C. If ambient temperature is about 200°C then their chemistry would be completely incompatible with ours. And with hydrogen athmosphere anyway. 2. Re the Dark Forest hypothesis: maybe. They will discover our radio in about 60 years (as…

600 years at 20% speed of light. So, we are not going to visit the planet unless we find a way to create worm holes at will.

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #74
post #61

1. I looked up the phase diagram of water. If the mass is 10 times the earth, their athmospheric pressure might be one hundred times of ours. At that pressure, water boils at about 300°C. If ambient temperature is about 200°C then their chemistry would be completely incompatible with ours. And with hydrogen athmosphere anyway. 2. Re the Dark Forest hypothesis: maybe. They will discover our radio in about 60 years (as…

The mass isn't directly correlated to the gravity (~5-6G assuming rocky planet density in this case) and the amount of atmosphere also isn't guaranteed. It might have an atmosphere that merely doesn't extend as far into space. Basically an anti-Venus since it has similar mass to earth but a much thicker atmosphere.

How would we even get off planet if gravity was 5x what it is, we’d have no chance?

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #17

We can expect these posibilities: 1. no life 2. simple life 3. advanced intelligent civilization In the first two cases, we need to send a physical probe there. In the third case it might be enough, and much faster, to send communication signals there and get answers back. The third case is also arguably the most interesting.

4. dead or dying intelligent civilization Slightly different than #1 assuming 'no life' means it never evolving I can imagine a billion-year old civilization in its last gasps. Maybe it was a beautiful peaceful and technologically advanced civilization. Maybe it appeared and died before encountering any other advanced intelligent life from outside it's solar system. Then again maybe it is dead from a nuclear or other…

A billion year old technologically advanced civilization in our own galaxy would probably be fairly easy to find as current models estimate that it'd only take a couple million years to colonize the galaxy even without FTL travel. Thus we'd expect to see various technosignatures scattered everywhere (including within our own solar system).

They'd have to either have advanced extremely slowly compared to us, such that a thousand years of our development are many millions of years of development to them or had some sort of extinction event that was so thorough as to render all of their stuff around other stars inactive (I guess maybe they might consider it extremely important to hide from developing civilizations though, in which case we probably can't even fathom what sort of hiding mechanisms they might have).

It's worth considering that with another century or two of development, assuming we don't face some sort of societal collapse, we'll definitely be capable of sending small probes to our nearby stars at large fractions of light speed. Given a couple thousand years without a collapse, we most probably can send self-replicating machines to colonize the galaxy like that. Even supposing that it takes us 100,000 years to get to that point, that's just 0.01% of a billion year old civilization's time.

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #61

1. I looked up the phase diagram of water. If the mass is 10 times the earth, their athmospheric pressure might be one hundred times of ours. At that pressure, water boils at about 300°C. If ambient temperature is about 200°C then their chemistry would be completely incompatible with ours. And with hydrogen athmosphere anyway. 2. Re the Dark Forest hypothesis: maybe. They will discover our radio in about 60 years (as…

600 years at 20% speed of light. So, we are not going to visit the planet unless we find a way to create worm holes at will.

If you think as a species, then 600 years is nothing.

If you think as an individual, then 600 years is dismaying.

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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> The good news: if there is intelligent life it will not easily get here either. Unless 'it' left a long time ago and is already here. I always feel the 'space is big haha no one can cross it' argument is weird due to always framing it in our own frame of reference. What if the hypothetical 'thing' is like a jellyfish and time isn't as big an issue, or an AI that definitely doesn't care about time. Or a bundle of fu…

If you have enough acceleration , you can travel 1000 light years in a human lifetime. It’s just that when you return, at least 2000 years will have passed on earth.

1g constant acceleration is enough. But we don't have the technology yet.

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post #96

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I don't think Russia gained materially from that. While they ruthlessly exploited whatever resources they could get hold of in the Donbas, that of course that leaves the region much poorer so the have just concentrated wealth, not creates more of it overall.

A thief doesn’t care about overall economic outcomes. Crimea may be worse off but that’s not necessarily relevant to Russia’s leadership.

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Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #74

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The mass isn't directly correlated to the gravity (~5-6G assuming rocky planet density in this case) and the amount of atmosphere also isn't guaranteed. It might have an atmosphere that merely doesn't extend as far into space. Basically an anti-Venus since it has similar mass to earth but a much thicker atmosphere.

How would we even get off planet if gravity was 5x what it is, we’d have no chance?

Presumably when we're talking about actually traveling across the galaxy at anything approaching the speed of light, we've developed something more sophisticated than "burn a bunch of fuel" to both get to space and travel through it. Anti-gravity seems the most likely candidate, but who knows if that's even possible.

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Things have gone poorly for them, but they didn’t know it would happen like this when they invaded. In theory the USSR could have greatly benefited from a short war that gained them resource rich territory at minimal cost like the previous time they invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea However, an alien civilization has little reason to invade a planet…

I don't think Russia gained materially from that. While they ruthlessly exploited whatever resources they could get hold of in the Donbas, that of course that leaves the region much poorer so the have just concentrated wealth, not creates more of it overall.

I thought Crimea was about warm water ports?

Re: NASA says distant exoplanet could have rare water ocean, possible hint of life

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post #61

1. I looked up the phase diagram of water. If the mass is 10 times the earth, their athmospheric pressure might be one hundred times of ours. At that pressure, water boils at about 300°C. If ambient temperature is about 200°C then their chemistry would be completely incompatible with ours. And with hydrogen athmosphere anyway. 2. Re the Dark Forest hypothesis: maybe. They will discover our radio in about 60 years (as…

> Then they might assemble something like a robotic attack army and send it over after

Violence is undeniably primitive behavior.

It amazes me how many humans assume that other species would advance technologically to the point of interstellar travel while still holding on to primitive roots.

It's extra surprising from a community like HN where an abundance mindset is the status quo.

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