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Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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I strongly disagree. - Google has on multiple occasions terminated accounts for no reason with no recourse. You loose access you can't do anything. If you have your own domain you can at least set it up somewhere else. How many website would you need to update with your new email and how would you get thay extra factor mail? - If I die I don't care if someone else reads my mail, I'm dead. Also you can add a dead man'…

It was Wordpress that offered the 100 year thing, but I think that was more publicity stunt than practical service - it was cheaper than their offerings for companies, so clearly aimed at individuals, but few people would care about their "personal brand" blog for so long after their death, and those that would probably have an estate big enough that they have a company running it while they're alive.

But in any case, AFAIK the maximum registration period for ICANN domains is 10-years into the future.

I keep my personal domain re-registered at least 5 years into the future, specifically so that if I was incapacitated for a year, or randomly decided to go travelling for half a year, or whatever, I won't miss the expiry date. I've had this domain for over 20 years already, so I don't mind 5 years extra, because I know I'm keeping it. Basically, everything the article said.

The domains for my company are all registered for 3 years up-front, and I try to renew them annually to keep at least 2 years before expiry, but I also know that if I died, someone else would either take over or wind up the company, and in either case they can deal with the domains as part of that, and if they have a long grace period, that's fine.

And in terms of the privacy concerns of the article, I have several separate domains that I use when dealing with companies. For a long time, I used addresses based on my main domain name with the company name before the @, but I'd already blocked a load of addresses where the company sold their client list (even some quite random companies like recruitment agencies seem to get tempted by this) and decided to just move to a couple of domains solely for this purpose. They have no obvious relationship to my name, so they're perfect if the e-mail address was later sold on.

To be honest, the biggest issue with dying isn't the registration of my domain names, it's that nobody else would even know HOW to get my e-mail from my private server. Currently, that's less of a problem than it might be as I use gmail as a client, so it fetches using POP from the various accounts on my servers, but if I died and nobody could access my gmail, it'd be a bit harder.

That said, in the UK after you die, the executor of your will has legal authority to contact any company you had dealings with before and take over your account or affairs. So honestly, as long as I document my bank account numbers, and make my property deeds and will easily discoverable, I'm not really too bothered about anything else.

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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post #6

> I am starting to use iCloud's Hide My Email to change my email address on accounts I have created over the years because of this How seamless is logging in on non-Apple devices?

It is a bit of a hassle saving the generated mail address, since it’s hidden away in the settings and from there you have to copy to your password manager.

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't recommend an email host on purpose because that's not the point I was trying to make. I recommend iCloud since it's the cheapest paid email provider you can get if you have or had any Apple device. Fastmail is a close second.

Unfortunately if you stop paying for fastmail or your Google account becomes inactive, they terminate your account and the email address becomes available for a new user. I think the concern that your email address is subject to takeover is valid, but unfortunately relying on generic domains isn't the solution. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290?hl=en

Citing from Google‘s recent email on account inactivity: ”After a Google Account is deleted, the Gmail address for the deleted account cannot be used again when creating a new Google Account“

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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The main reasons for me that I stopped using my own domain: - some sites will just silently refuse to accept addresses on unknown domains and signing up becomes impossible - worse, some sites accept it for sign up, but later on refuse to send a password reset - every time you have you write down or say out our your email address to a non-technical person, you are then obligated to host a mini Q&A on domain names and…

These are all the exact reasons to do it! -the more of us who won't sign up because they won't take our domain-bsased email the quicker they will see these failed sign-ups and the reason, and adjust. - hmm. Let the account go dead I guess. They pay for that. - great, the more ppl who understand, the better!

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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I strongly disagree. - Google has on multiple occasions terminated accounts for no reason with no recourse. You loose access you can't do anything. If you have your own domain you can at least set it up somewhere else. How many website would you need to update with your new email and how would you get thay extra factor mail? - If I die I don't care if someone else reads my mail, I'm dead. Also you can add a dead man'…

Even if there is no option for 100 year registration, 10 years is pretty common[0]. Google deactivates an account and deletes all data after 2 years of inactivity[1]. So even if someone stops using the domain, all data would be deleted after 2 years, emails sent to it would bounce for ~8 years, and only then could someone take ownership of the domain. Even if you're using another paid service, your payments would fail, and your account would also be deleted before your domain expires.

0: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/renew-domain-name-2018...

1: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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post #6

> I am starting to use iCloud's Hide My Email to change my email address on accounts I have created over the years because of this How seamless is logging in on non-Apple devices?

Once you have Hide My Email set up, you don't have to log in again. I just forward to another email account that is not on iCloud. The unique email address I generated is saved in 1Password.

You have to pay for icloud for the rest of your life though.

I personally had issues with Apple overbilling me and not fixing it, and have shifted away from icloud and it's a huge problem for me, because while most accounts will let me change my email, some accounts will not.

I registered a throwaway domain for $10 and i'm using that domain that's the combination of two random english words dot com, and now I use simpleloginolyourall, but I own the alias domain and I can always redirect it with a catchall if I ever want to switch services or use the address with a different alias email provider.

To be fair, it's not currently that bad, because the minimum price for hidemyemail is a few bucks a month, but apple can always change that and it's far easier to pay for a domain then when you want to switch email providers in the future.

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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The main reasons for me that I stopped using my own domain: - some sites will just silently refuse to accept addresses on unknown domains and signing up becomes impossible - worse, some sites accept it for sign up, but later on refuse to send a password reset - every time you have you write down or say out our your email address to a non-technical person, you are then obligated to host a mini Q&A on domain names and…

I'm just in the process of migrating from my own domain email to a "normal" mail address because of your last bullet point.

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

#28

And furthermore using Google mail for business purposes doesn't have unprofessional stigma anymore, especially amongst younger people (naturally meaning under 50).

Using Google Mail sure, but using Google's domain sure as heck does. I cringe every time I see a business card printed with a gmail.com or similar, or on the side of someone's van. If you can go through the effort of registering a business and having a professional looking logo plastered all over your vans, business card etc, you can almost certainly register a domain for your email.

Especially medical people with gmail, that gives me the heebie-jeebies. Pretty sure that's a privacy nightmare waiting to happen ...

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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I think that the article confuses privacy with anonymity. A gmail.com address does not stand out as much, but it is much less private than a self-hosted account on a domain and servers that I own and control.

In my view, privacy is not about being inrecognizable, it's about having control over what aspects of my identity are revealed to the public. A custom domain (unless you're using your last name or something similar) reveals very little about you except maybe your pseudonym and the fact you probably run your own email.

If you're looking for anonymity, email is a very bad place to start. That being said, I still use my gmail occasionally, mainly for things that need 100% uptime and can't ever get filtered by the recipient's spam filter. My doctor's appointments, electronic ID, for example, still have my Gmail set as a backup address, mainly to prevent me losing basic services in case of some catastrophic failure of my servers.

Overall, running email yourself is fairly complicated, and probably one of the last things you ever want to do self-hosting-wise.

Re: Reasons to not use your own domain for email

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I agree. Using a custom email sounds cool first, but sucks in real life when you have to give someone your mail address and they don't understand how to write it, what it means, how it works, and when it is rejected by the system they're typing it into. That's the reason I'm migrating back to a normal mail address.
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