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Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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I typically buy at least two titles per month, and the best deal ended up being: Audible Premium Plus - 1 Credit Every Other Month for $17 ($8.50/mo) You can buy 3 more credits for $37.99 (12.66/ea). It’s also worth checking individual titles because quite a few cost less than the credits. Correction: I guess I actually buy slightly fewer than 2/mo because there’s a plan for that ($22.95/mo) that’s cheaper than the 2…

You probably won't be interested since it's even more pressure to use them before they expire, but there's also annual plans which are even cheaper if you can be happy using 12 (or 24) tokens within 12 months (you get them at the start and they expire at the end of the year): Audible Premium Plus Annual - 12 Credits $149.50/year (way cheaper in UK: £69.99/year) Audible Premium Plus Annual - 24 Credits $229.50/year (£…

Hah thank you, the optionality is worth $0.20/mo to me.

I wish there were better options for listening 20-25 hours/mo. Like Amazon in general, the selection + convenience is tough to beat.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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You’re talking about _being shown_ photos you don’t care about, while GP is talking about showing your own photos to someone. I agree with the example you’re discussing, though.

Ah, you’re talking about main character syndrome. Showing pictures to someone is one of the cruelest things you can do; you’re probably boring and a terrible storyteller (most people are) but they’re going to feel obligated to not tell you that. It’s always amazing to me that people almost universally hate other people’s slideshows, and then don’t have the self awareness to realize that they do the exact same thing.

>Showing pictures to someone is one of the cruelest things you can do

So you are saying that friends, family and significant others better no share old photos and memories with you? Because that is one of the cruelest things to do?

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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Are the economics actually better, or do they look better due to a lack of quality control? Because no TTS - even the most current AI ones - are perfect. They need corrections, which involves a human's time. And it's time that dictates prices, not skill (which largely reduces time).

The key is just which time is faster. If you are able to just listen to it once, and note a few errors, and slightly adjust, it may still may be much faster to use AI.

Based off Apple’s advertised times to produce AI audiobooks, the times are comparable. AI is not running quickly nor inexpensively for this task it seems.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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Oh, snap, we've been working on importing Gutenburg to LR: https://www.languagereactor.com/m/t_en_- We're ranking them using the download count, and also this prompt to chatGPT (it's primarily for language learners): "Is this text engaging and interesting for a modern reader, someone not into fine literature? Rate the text excellent, good, ok or poor. I don't want crusty, flowery, contorted language, talking about bu…

If you've already determined the text is interesting to the modern reader, why rewrite? Wouldn't it make more sense to look for texts that are thematically relevant, but with inaccessible language - and rewrite those? I still shudder to think how this system will handle something like Shakespeare's sonnets...

It's for students learning English. The top 1000 will be rewritten and be available in addition to the original version, and about another 10,000 available in original only (selected using vocabulary frequency analysis and the chatGPT query).

Midsummer Night's Dream:

THESEUS Now, fair Hippolyta, our nuptial hour Draws on apace; four happy days bring in Another moon: but, O, methinks, how slow This old moon wanes! she lingers my desires, Like to a step-dame or a dowager Long withering out a young man revenue.

HIPPOLYTA Four days will quickly steep themselves in night; Four nights will quickly dream away the time; And then the moon, like to a silver bow New-bent in heaven, shall behold the night Of our solemnities.

Rewritten:

THESEUS Now, dear Hippolyta, our wedding day is approaching quickly. In just four more happy days, a new moon will arrive. But oh, it feels like this current moon is taking forever to disappear! It's holding back my excitement, like an old, slow stepmother or a widow who keeps a young man's money for far too long.

HIPPOLYTA Don't worry, Theseus. Four days will pass by in no time, and then four nights will also quickly slip away. After that, the new moon will shine brightly in the sky, like a freshly bent silver bow, and it will witness the night of our special celebration.

Hmm. Shakespeare is the extreme case. It does make it more accessible. The style is lost. shrug

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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Oh, snap, we've been working on importing Gutenburg to LR: https://www.languagereactor.com/m/t_en_- We're ranking them using the download count, and also this prompt to chatGPT (it's primarily for language learners): "Is this text engaging and interesting for a modern reader, someone not into fine literature? Rate the text excellent, good, ok or poor. I don't want crusty, flowery, contorted language, talking about bu…

Standard Ebooks has the ability to filter books by reading level. That seems much better for people trying to learn English. https://standardebooks.org/ They carefully curate and copy-edit their books, and go for quality over quantity. I think that is probably the right choice. We already have free access to an effectively infinite amount of mediocre content on the internet.

I did check that out. The thing is, the criteria is a little different. This is for learners who need to practice reading English. The scripts surface a lot of material in Gutenberg that otherwise would be time-consuming to find. 1950's science fiction that still reads well, or story books for children. Someone could certainly call these books 'mediocre', but I think that's a bit adjacent to what we're trying to do here. If this idea is worth the effort relative to other sources of material.. still undecided.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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Oh, snap, we've been working on importing Gutenburg to LR: https://www.languagereactor.com/m/t_en_- We're ranking them using the download count, and also this prompt to chatGPT (it's primarily for language learners): "Is this text engaging and interesting for a modern reader, someone not into fine literature? Rate the text excellent, good, ok or poor. I don't want crusty, flowery, contorted language, talking about bu…

It's amazing that a decade ago I'd have called you an exceptionally demented individual for doing this, but these days there's so much stupid unconscionable shit going on with AI that it hardly stands out.

floren: In epochs bygone, a mere decade hence, I would have proffered thee the epithet of an egregiously unhinged denizen, were thou to embark upon such an endeavor. However, in these current times, wherein the domain of artificial intelligence doth teem with preposterous and morally indefensible machinations, thy conduct emerges as naught but a faint ember in the vast tapestry of perplexities that now envelop us.

davidzweig: Hark! Methinks 'tis the act of rewriting, not the sifting, that doth wound thy pride most deeply, and affront thee grievously. Set thine eyes upon the instance presented hence, to glean a clearer understanding of our noble mission, one that doth strive to render these splendid volumes more reachable:

Original:

The other person was a man named O’Brien, a member of the Inner Party and holder of some post so important and remote that Winston had only a dim idea of its nature. A momentary hush passed over the group of people round the chairs as they saw the black overalls of an Inner Party member approaching.

O’Brien was a large, burly man with a thick neck and a coarse, humorous, brutal face. In spite of his formidable appearance he had a certain charm of manner. He had a trick of resettling his spectacles on his nose which was curiously disarming—in some indefinable way, curiously civilized. It was a gesture which, if anyone had still thought in such terms, might have recalled an eighteenth-century nobleman offering his snuffbox.

Winston had seen O’Brien perhaps a dozen times in almost as many years. He felt deeply drawn to him, and not solely because he was intrigued by the contrast between O’Brien’s urbane manner and his prize-fighter’s physique. Much more it was because of a secretly held belief—or perhaps not even a belief, merely a hope—that O’Brien’s political orthodoxy was not perfect. Something in his face suggested it irresistibly.

Rewritten:

The other person was a man named O'Brien. He belonged to a group called the Inner Party and had a very important job that Winston didn't fully understand. When people saw O'Brien, they became quiet, because he was a high-ranking member of the Inner Party.

O'Brien was a big, strong man with a thick neck and a rough, funny, and tough-looking face. Despite his intimidating appearance, he had a certain charm in the way he acted. He had a habit of adjusting his glasses on his nose, which was oddly disarming, and in some way, it seemed polite and refined, like an old-fashioned nobleman offering his snuffbox.

Winston had seen O'Brien about a dozen times over the past few years. He felt a strong connection to him, not just because he was curious about the difference between O'Brien's polite behavior and his tough appearance. It was more because Winston secretly hoped that O'Brien wasn't completely loyal to the government's beliefs. There was something about his face that made Winston believe this, even though it was just a feeling.

---> Orwell already has a clear style that I very much admire. The somewhat minor changes here would make for easier parsing by students, without changing the message much. I can't imagine Orwell would have objected.

I think your message is misplaced and pretty rude.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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It's amazing that a decade ago I'd have called you an exceptionally demented individual for doing this, but these days there's so much stupid unconscionable shit going on with AI that it hardly stands out.

floren: In epochs bygone, a mere decade hence, I would have proffered thee the epithet of an egregiously unhinged denizen, were thou to embark upon such an endeavor. However, in these current times, wherein the domain of artificial intelligence doth teem with preposterous and morally indefensible machinations, thy conduct emerges as naught but a faint ember in the vast tapestry of perplexities that now envelop us. da…

The example doesn't change my mind.

It throws away the flavor of the original text. Why reword the great works of literature into YA-level blandness? Might as well just read the Cliffs Notes at that point. 1984 isn't a particularly challenging work, either, and I think readers do themselves a disfavor if they don't read the original.

Edit: hey I do want to apologize my tone in the first comment though, it was too much. Sorry.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing that a decade ago I'd have called you an exceptionally demented individual for doing this, but these days there's so much stupid unconscionable shit going on with AI that it hardly stands out.

floren: In epochs bygone, a mere decade hence, I would have proffered thee the epithet of an egregiously unhinged denizen, were thou to embark upon such an endeavor. However, in these current times, wherein the domain of artificial intelligence doth teem with preposterous and morally indefensible machinations, thy conduct emerges as naught but a faint ember in the vast tapestry of perplexities that now envelop us. da…

I don't really understand the purpose here, given that literature is significantly aesthetic by nature. Can't students just read contemporary, accessible books if they want something easier?

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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post #137

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floren: In epochs bygone, a mere decade hence, I would have proffered thee the epithet of an egregiously unhinged denizen, were thou to embark upon such an endeavor. However, in these current times, wherein the domain of artificial intelligence doth teem with preposterous and morally indefensible machinations, thy conduct emerges as naught but a faint ember in the vast tapestry of perplexities that now envelop us. da…

The example doesn't change my mind. It throws away the flavor of the original text. Why reword the great works of literature into YA-level blandness? Might as well just read the Cliffs Notes at that point. 1984 isn't a particularly challenging work, either, and I think readers do themselves a disfavor if they don't read the original. Edit: hey I do want to apologize my tone in the first comment though, it was too muc…

Our software is used by Koreans, Turks, Brazilians, Hungarians etc. that are trying to learn a foreign language (English). If importing (and rewriting some of) Gutenburg was the best use of time for them, well, I'm not sure. If you don't see a difference in difficulty in the two texts, then, I don't think you are able to appreciate the perspective of a language learner.

Re: The Project Gutenberg Open Audiobook Collection

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floren: In epochs bygone, a mere decade hence, I would have proffered thee the epithet of an egregiously unhinged denizen, were thou to embark upon such an endeavor. However, in these current times, wherein the domain of artificial intelligence doth teem with preposterous and morally indefensible machinations, thy conduct emerges as naught but a faint ember in the vast tapestry of perplexities that now envelop us. da…

I don't really understand the purpose here, given that literature is significantly aesthetic by nature. Can't students just read contemporary, accessible books if they want something easier?

Literature: "Anything written in print that's not Twilight." (urban dictionary) :)

Yes, they could.. but we can't put Harry Potter in the public library of texts for copyright reasons, and licensing material is difficult and not fun, I prefer to write software. Users can paste it in themselves, but then there's steps. The center of the project is still a browser extension that runs on Netflix and Youtube, we thus sidestep the copyright issue.

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