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Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

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Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#41

> Mopria is part of the Windows' teams justification for removing support. Founded in 2013 by Canon, HP, Samsung and Xerox, the Mopria Alliance's mission is to provide universal standards for printing and scanning. Epson, Lexmark, Adobe and Microsoft have also joined the gang since then. What about Brother?

> What about Brother?

that didn't appear to be an exhaustive list. Looking at the Mopria site, I see Brother along with 9 other brands not mentioned.

https://mopria.org/certified-products/

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#42

> Mopria is part of the Windows' teams justification for removing support. Founded in 2013 by Canon, HP, Samsung and Xerox, the Mopria Alliance's mission is to provide universal standards for printing and scanning. Epson, Lexmark, Adobe and Microsoft have also joined the gang since then. What about Brother?

Brother is also a member

https://mopria.org/member-companies

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wishful thinking, imo. If you want to have a network, someone needs to know a bit of networking. Or you need someone you can call who does. Don't get mad at the printer for what your router is doing to its IP address. This day and age isn't as advanced as you'd like it to be, or you need a new router that does what you expect.

Thankfully people at Apple thought this can be easier. They came up with Bonjour... Bonjour is apparently also known as ZeroConf [1]. Microsoft is behind the times. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking

Bonjour struggles to find printers much more than Windows. My Windows users just click add printer and it just works. And let's not talk about file shares. Macs literally can't connect to any file shares except Windows ones (since AFP is out of support), and then only with Samba, and only with Apple's botched implementation of Samba which crashes, because it needs to create metafile databases on said shares, if a share has too many files. Try opening a file share with 20k+ images in the root from your latest Mac. Seems to me, as a mixed OS business operator, that it's Apple that's behind the times. Even out of service Chromecast devices and decades old Linux distros are better at network discovery than Bonjour.

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#45
Mopria And Airprint both use the RFC standard Internet Printing Protocol. Are they not compatible with each other?

> IPP is the basis of several printer logo certification programs including AirPrint, IPP Everywhere, and Mopria Alliance, and is supported by over 98% of printers sold today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#46

Printing at home is so horrible. I have a printer connected to my Wifi router. It changes IP every time I reboot. When it changes IP, Windows can't find it. I can give the printer a static IP but how many people know to do this? Wifi has been around for more than 2 decades. Isn't that enough time to figure out a solution?

Ideally your printer advertises itself via Bonjour/Avahi/SLP or whatevs. Ideally Windows receives these adverts and connects you to your printer. One or the other gets it wrong, with monotonous regularity.

IPP is print anywhere and it sounds like its been branded "Mopria".

I ditched a thing called HPLIP at home at least five years ago which used to be the cutting edge for Linux printing on HP printers. The bloke that developed CUPS said it was a good idea and I went for it.

Now it just works - always. It sounds like Windows is catching up, finally.

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wishful thinking, imo. If you want to have a network, someone needs to know a bit of networking. Or you need someone you can call who does. Don't get mad at the printer for what your router is doing to its IP address. This day and age isn't as advanced as you'd like it to be, or you need a new router that does what you expect.

Thankfully people at Apple thought this can be easier. They came up with Bonjour... Bonjour is apparently also known as ZeroConf [1]. Microsoft is behind the times. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking

The only thing I know about Bonjour is that I had to uninstall it every time after installing iTunes on my PC.

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#48

Mopria And Airprint both use the RFC standard Internet Printing Protocol. Are they not compatible with each other? > IPP is the basis of several printer logo certification programs including AirPrint, IPP Everywhere, and Mopria Alliance, and is supported by over 98% of printers sold today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol

I think it's for if you're plugged into it via USB, or are using file & print sharing.

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#49

Printers industry is huge scam with those not working ink jets because they arent "official". I hope it will change this - such malicious behaviour is probably implemented at SW level, right?

How long before a 3d printer can do 2d printing well enough to make printers obsolete, I wonder.

Re: Microsoft to kill off third-party printer drivers in Windows

#50

Printers industry is huge scam with those not working ink jets because they arent "official". I hope it will change this - such malicious behaviour is probably implemented at SW level, right?

Probably implemented in the firmware in the printer itself, so likely it won't fix this issue.
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