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Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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I agree but I think you are lost in the nuance.

There’s no nuance to “I wish I could hire someone to harass this person to prove my point” That’s not an ok thing to say or believe.

Of course it isn't and op used that notion effectively to illustrate how it's also not acceptable for corporations to do variations of that also.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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I've been using Android since the G1. I don't think I've ever had the search bar on the home screen for more than a couple minutes after getting a new phone. My in-app web views are also in Firefox. I'm pretty sure just changing the default browser changes this, though there may be a second setting I'm forgetting about. This is actually my main sticking point on refusing to try iOs. You can't even install Firefox on…

The search bar on the home screen referenced by OP is a Pixel launcher exclusive, which is the default installed launcher on Pixel devices. You can't remove it. You can install an third-party launcher however. You can also use a widget provided by a browser app to put a search bar on the homescreen (all major browsers have such an option). For the most part, my webviews are in FF (selected as my default browser), but…

Ah, I have a Pixel phone but have been using a third-party launcher for so long that I don't even know what the default looks like anymore.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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No matter how the internet was originally funded, most of the current infrastructure that gives us the speed and bandwidth we have today and the hardware was done by private companies. Who is going to pay for the browser? Do you really want the government controlling how you access information?

>Do you really want the government controlling how you access information? You've already given that power to corporations, and corporations have far fewer regulations on actually performing said control (as in they are able to control you far more). You are so deep into Reganomics "government is bad, corporations are good" that you don't realize these large (near) monopoly status corporations are effectively their o…

It’s not reagonomics it’s just the opposite. Whatever party you align yourself with, just think of the power the other party would use to stifle speech that they don’t agree with.

I have a lot more power not to use Chrome or Android than not to be under the rule of a hostile government.

Whether it’s the religious right who are in control of one party or Tipper Gore going after rap music in the other party, do you really want the government controlling the web?

Reagonomics was about thinking the government is incompetent. I think the government is hostile.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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It's actually worth reading the article to the end, because otherwise you'd be missing the amazing final paragraph: > Lastly, it’s good to remember nothing truly comes for free. Software costs money to develop. If you’re not paying towards that, then it’s likely you – or your data – are the product. We need to revolutionise how we think about our own data and what value it truly holds. Ignoring the fact that this is…

I don’t pay for bash yet I have plenty of excellent tooling in it thats free, and I’m not the product. Software can be released freely just like a poem can be. The people who develop popular software like one of the functions in bash I use for free probably aren’t hurting for work I’d imagine.

A lot of us are getting paid to use bash. Negative cost. Hyperfree software.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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What’s crazy to me is how many people in the forum continue to run Chrome. There’s barely any mention of switching off Chrome in this thread until scrolling down towards the bottom of the comments. Why is that? It’s so obvious how this story is doing to end—Google will do everything in their power to shove ads down Chrome users throats no matter how many ad blockers people try to run.

What is it about Chrome that makes it so much better than alternatives like Firefox, Safari, or any Blink engine variants that aren’t spyware?

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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I use Chrome at work and Firefox on personal devices (including my Android phone). As a heavy user of both browsers, as far as I can see there is really no downside to Firefox. In fact, even though presumably there are way more engineers working on Chrome than on Firefox, I guess most of Chrome's engineering effort goes towards benefitting advertisers, not users. While Chrome seems entirely stagnant since I adopted i…

Chrome Mobile is the largest reason I would not recommend an Android (specifically Pixel) device to friends or family. I bought one, and I found myself actively avoiding browsing the web on it. Even after installing Firefox you can’t get rid of the Google Chrome web search bar on the home screen, and in-app web views are Chrome, so you’re never really free from Chrome. I do understand the why of ads, and I’m okay wit…

> Chrome Mobile is the largest reason I would not recommend an Android (specifically Pixel) device to friends or family. [...] Even after installing Firefox you can’t get rid of the Google Chrome web search bar on the home screen, and in-app web views are Chrome, so you’re never really free from Chrome.

Meanwhile, on pretty much the only competition, you can't even install a different browser, they're all just reskins of Safari. You'd be better off recommending Android...

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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> And that had absolutely zero effect on the market share of the browsers. Did it not help FF to gain initial market share? > Besides especially on mobile, I would be pissed if when I first used my phone I would have to use my (hypothetically limited) cellular data to download something like a browser. No difference from the status quo then as you have to download multiple browser updates per month anyway (and in fac…

> Did it not help FF to gain initial market share? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windo... While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless. In spite of equally prominent placement on the selection screen,…

> While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless.

This isn't "zero effect", though. It might've been just the initial kick-off for FF's success, bringing users, bug reports, and developers. "Long-term" Chrome dominance isn't telling us anything here; in fact, Chrome's success is also in part a consequence of the browser selection screen.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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> Did it not help FF to gain initial market share? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windo... While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless. In spite of equally prominent placement on the selection screen,…

> While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless. This isn't "zero effect", though. It might've been just the initial kick-off for FF's success, bringing users, bug reports, and developers. "Long-term" Chrome dominance isn't te…

From other articles I read - and my Google Fu is failing me right now - the browser market share was about the same in the US and the EU. There was never a ballot choice mandate in the US.

Chrome’s growth in the US grew because of bundling with other apps and because of advertisements on Google’s home page

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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post #356

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There’s no nuance to “I wish I could hire someone to harass this person to prove my point” That’s not an ok thing to say or believe.

Of course it isn't and op used that notion effectively to illustrate how it's also not acceptable for corporations to do variations of that also.

Except the argument is ineffective for two reasons:

1) The author doesn’t support what Google is doing.

2) The author isn’t tracking anyone.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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>Do you really want the government controlling how you access information? You've already given that power to corporations, and corporations have far fewer regulations on actually performing said control (as in they are able to control you far more). You are so deep into Reganomics "government is bad, corporations are good" that you don't realize these large (near) monopoly status corporations are effectively their o…

It’s not reagonomics it’s just the opposite. Whatever party you align yourself with, just think of the power the other party would use to stifle speech that they don’t agree with. I have a lot more power not to use Chrome or Android than not to be under the rule of a hostile government. Whether it’s the religious right who are in control of one party or Tipper Gore going after rap music in the other party, do you rea…

If you don't petition your government to prevent monopolies, then you have just as little choice being under hostile companies. Of course I'm sure you think having the choice of Apple rather than Android completely makes up for this.

Enriching these large companies will ensure you live under a hostile government too. Once they are big enough to rent seek, they become the primary lobbying power, and you're back in the exact same position of being under a hostile government.

Next I expect to hear something out of you about private water companies and roads as the solution to all of our problems.

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