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Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by scarface_74 »

pixl97 wrote: post #370
scarface_74 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the people who can’t afford to pay for their browser, email, etc… Let them eat cake?

It's kind of funny to use that exact statement, but after you put profit seeking corporations in charge of our of our information you'll find they commonly find democracy 'not profitable enough' and will go about manipulating/controlling you via your own information to further increase their profits and control over you. I guess your option is becoming the cake to get ate. Meanwhile over in "lets not cede all control…

No matter how the internet was originally funded, most of the current infrastructure that gives us the speed and bandwidth we have today and the hardware was done by private companies.

Who is going to pay for the browser?

Do you really want the government controlling how you access information?

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by edoceo »

jpadkins wrote: post #320
dspillett wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can anyone explain to me why this is worse than third-party cookies? How about thinking the other way around: Can you, or anyone else for that matter, explain to me why this is better than commercial interests not following us around at all ? > turn off third-party cookies, but a bunch of the internet breaks if you do that Most of what breaks is just tracking for ad serving purposes. I'm fine with that breaking. So…

> Can you, or anyone else for that matter, explain to me why this is better than commercial interests not following us around at all? Because people prefer free, ad supported content on the internet. Once you accept that premise, then it's a matter of balancing privacy, volume of ads, and payments to creators (ad tech companies are going to get theirs). Do you think the majority of people would prefer fewer, better t…

There is no paid-internet without ads -- so it's not that people prefer free we don't really have a group to test against. Maybe it's like the choice between water and no-water -- results show that humans like water.

But choices like: free water with punch-in-the-face VS paid water without punching would be better indicators of choice.

When there are few/no options then choice is an illusion.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by scarface_74 »

HeckFeck wrote: post #223
scarface_74 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is not installed on any desktop computer system by default except for ChromeOS that has 3% market share. Everyone that uses Chrome, went out of their way to download it. I personally don’t use Chrome. But I am assuming your answer is - government should stop people from using their own free will?

Not at all. Rather, if the authorities were to do anything, they would regulate to redress the imbalance and give back power to users to control how corporations use their data. There is no voluntary solution as it is, and the state says it exists to protect our rights. I might even be so bold to say it is necessary because advertising is a mental health problem. Additionally, the monopoly is enforced because of the…

If people are using a computer , they are going to Edge and getting on the internet to download Chrome.

It’s a poor excuse that most people think Chrome is the internet. When they are connecting to the internet do you really think they think they are connecting to Google?

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by dspillett »

tantalor wrote: post #352
dspillett wrote: post #349

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The simple display of a sponsored banner and the systematic tracking of people throughout their online activities are not the same thing.

> not the same thing Never said they were, only that they both using your browser & resources "against your own interests", and this is not a good argument against tracking.

When just displaying a static banner add, your browser is a lot more passive than implied by "agent that is acting" in the GPP. Simply displaying an image (with a little HTML for the link) and perhaps caching it in local storage is quite different from collecting & collating logs about you and distributing that back out to the where internet.

You are right about the bit of the post you noticed though, both do use at least some resources. This system more, but the simple banner still some.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

93po wrote: post #375
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #303

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Don't all browsers on iOS have to use Safari for rendering?

I believe you're correct but and maybe it's placebo but there is some process of loading and viewing a web page that feels faster in safari. maybe safari does some sort of pre-fetching? i barely use it so even my anecdotal sample size is not large

In fairness, there's an arbitrary amount of "chrome" on top of Safari, so Firefox could very well be slower. There's also this new profile effect where switching browsers always seems faster. The reasoning is that you're comparing browser A, which is loaded down with all your history, cookies, etc. against browser B, which has a clean slate.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by wolverine876 »

marcus0x62 wrote: post #360
wolverine876 wrote: post #329

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Why would I give a break to someone who doesn't give me one?

I'm not sure if you aren't a native English speaker or are just being deliberately obtuse, but I wasn't asking for any consideration on your part. I was expressing disbelief at the apparent naivety of your previous comment where you started off by writing my post "passes for a comment" and then proceeded to argue this article is some kind of insightful work in the area of online privacy.

You never know what valuable things other people have to share, especially if you are curious and open to things you don't already think, if you give people a break; I am constantly surprised. What if we put aside the ridicule?

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by pixl97 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #381
pixl97 wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of funny to use that exact statement, but after you put profit seeking corporations in charge of our of our information you'll find they commonly find democracy 'not profitable enough' and will go about manipulating/controlling you via your own information to further increase their profits and control over you. I guess your option is becoming the cake to get ate. Meanwhile over in "lets not cede all control…

No matter how the internet was originally funded, most of the current infrastructure that gives us the speed and bandwidth we have today and the hardware was done by private companies. Who is going to pay for the browser? Do you really want the government controlling how you access information?

>Do you really want the government controlling how you access information?

You've already given that power to corporations, and corporations have far fewer regulations on actually performing said control (as in they are able to control you far more).

You are so deep into Reganomics "government is bad, corporations are good" that you don't realize these large (near) monopoly status corporations are effectively their own governments in amount of power and control they have.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by starbugs »

sp332 wrote: post #350
ChicagoDave wrote: post #323

I stopped using Chrome two years ago. I deleted the Facebook app. I have blockers on my desktop and iPhone. I’m aware everyone’s PI info is already compromised, but I’m not adding fuel. There are excellent alternatives to Chrome. I encourage everyone to adopt one.

What are you using for iPhone?

Brave

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by l72 »

If the topics API is really just returning a list of things the user is interested in, like:

  2: 'Arts & Entertainment/Acting & Theater',
  3: 'Arts & Entertainment/Comics',
  ...
  132: 'Computers & Electronics/Consumer Electronics/Home Theater Systems',
  ...
  208: 'Home & Garden/Gardening',
  ...
why not just have a simple survey and let the user pick or rate what they are interested in? Why the need to have the web browser actually track everything?

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by l72 »

l72 wrote: post #389

If the topics API is really just returning a list of things the user is interested in, like: 2: 'Arts & Entertainment/Acting & Theater', 3: 'Arts & Entertainment/Comics', ... 132: 'Computers & Electronics/Consumer Electronics/Home Theater Systems', ... 208: 'Home & Garden/Gardening', ... why not just have a simple survey and let the user pick or rate what they are interested in? Why the need to have the web browser a…

Also, there should be a permission API around this for each website (like camera/microphone), that explicitly states why the website is requesting this information and what information the browser will return to the website.
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