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None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by lapcat »

10g1k wrote: post #10
lapcat wrote: post #4

> On 9/11, the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One and into underground emergency bunkers Um, no, that's not what happened. Apparently the teacher doesn't remember either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat

He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane, and took him to a bunker.

> He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane

"After being discreetly informed of the September 11 attacks midway through the reading, Bush waited quietly for the reading to finish before dealing with the unfolding crisis."

"Afterwards, the children continued to read and President Bush sat while"

"the notoriously punctual president lingered in the classroom after the reading exercise was finished"

"After chatting with the students and their teacher, Bush deflected a Trade Center–related question from a reporter"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat

Does any of that sound like hustle to you?

Watch the actual video recording of the classroom in Michael Moore's documentary. There is was no hustle whatsoever. It's quite excruciating to see.

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by talldatethrow »

lapcat wrote: post #20
talldatethrow wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> What is your thought process for thinking the president was not hustled onto air force one? He just stayed wherever he was at.... For how long? There is an actual video recording of George W. Bush sitting in the classroom with the kids when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Watch it for yourself, in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 After that, you can come back her…

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Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by lapcat »

talldatethrow wrote: post #22
lapcat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is your thought process for thinking the president was not hustled onto air force one? He just stayed wherever he was at.... For how long? There is an actual video recording of George W. Bush sitting in the classroom with the kids when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Watch it for yourself, in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11 After that, you can come back her…

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> Dude, we all know where he was.... We all saw him reading the book.

The submitted article is specifically about how many people, especially younger people, don't remember 9/11. Thus, "we all know" is a mistaken assumption.

> Reread my post and actually try to answer the questions.

The video recording of the President answers the questions. You asked what my "thought process" was, but I wasn't speculating; as you seem to acknowledge, there's a video, of which nobody has ever disputed the authenticity (because of course there were plenty of eyewitnesses on the scene too), that we can watch and thereby verify the timeline.

There's no factual dispute whatsoever that Bush was told America is under attack, and he just sat there doing nothing for excruciating minutes, then lingered in the classroom, making no attempt to "hustle" out of there and take command of the situation.

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by talldatethrow »

lapcat wrote: post #24
talldatethrow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Dude, we all know where he was.... We all saw him reading the book. The submitted article is specifically about how many people, especially younger people, don't remember 9/11. Thus, "we all know" is a mistaken assumption. > Reread my post and actually try to answer the questions. The video recording of the President answers the questions. You asked what my "thought process" was, but I wasn't speculating; as you se…

Lol ok so now you finally admit that he was moved into Air Force one and also moved into a bunker as OP stated. You're entire dispute is based on if he was hustled onto the plane and into a bunker, and to refute that, you remind us he read a book for 15 minutes.

Here's a sanity check for your genius self. Is it possible, that BECAUSE he sat there longer not moving, that when he finally got out of the classroom, there actually was a hustle to get him onto the plane at a faster pace than usual? Obviously there would be.

You make me lose faith in this forum.

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by cuttysnark »

Some of the classrooms in my high school had TV/VCR mounted in the corner from the ceiling. Used for the odd VHS, usually by a sub. As such, no one dreamed they had cable—we learned on 9/11 they did. I guess the teachers were willing to let that secret out—so we could all watch the news.

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by cafard »

lapcat wrote: post #21
10g1k wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane, and took him to a bunker.

> He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane "After being discreetly informed of the September 11 attacks midway through the reading, Bush waited quietly for the reading to finish before dealing with the unfolding crisis." "Afterwards, the children continued to read and President Bush sat while" "the notoriously punctual president lingered in the classroom after the reading exercise w…

With all due disrespect to GWB, what was he going to do with those few minutes?

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by speff »

cafard wrote: post #28
lapcat wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He was with the kids when it happened. THEN they hustled him into the plane "After being discreetly informed of the September 11 attacks midway through the reading, Bush waited quietly for the reading to finish before dealing with the unfolding crisis." "Afterwards, the children continued to read and President Bush sat while" "the notoriously punctual president lingered in the classroom after the reading exercise w…

With all due disrespect to GWB, what was he going to do with those few minutes?

I was watching the real-time 9/11 site earlier today. GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. That’s the kind of response time I would expect from a president in today’s hyperconnected society - it was really impressive.

When I hear about people criticizing his decision to stay in the classroom for a few more minutes, all I can think is… “who cares?”

Re: None of My Students Remember 9/11 (2021)

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Post by lapcat »

speff wrote: post #29
cafard wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due disrespect to GWB, what was he going to do with those few minutes?

I was watching the real-time 9/11 site earlier today. GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit. That’s the kind of response time I would expect from a president in today’s hyperconnected society - it was really impressive. When I hear about people criticizing his decision to stay in the classroom for a few more minutes, all I can think is… “who cares?”

> GWB made a television statement 30 minutes after the first tower was hit.

This is also wrong. He made a statement, from the elementary school, 45 minutes after the first tower was hit, and this again contradicts the false claim that "the president and his advisers were hustled onto Air Force One".

There are 2 ridiculous things happening here:

1) Someone who literally teaches the history of 9/11 and is complaining that students don't remember gets the facts wrong.

2) Multiple commenters here on HN are for some reason defending the false claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_Se...

8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center

8:55: President George W. Bush arrives at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, as part of a scheduled visit to promote education and is reading The Pet Goat when White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who is with Bush, informs him that a small twin-engine plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. Before entering the classroom, the President speaks to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who is at the White House.

9:29: President Bush makes his first public statements about the attacks, in front of an audience of about 200 teachers and students at the elementary school.

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