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Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by lbhdc »

brap wrote: post #103
kreetx wrote: post #82

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This looks like the regular server side web framework with helpers to create html. State is (likely) managed by using the appropriate python library, or just a global variable or dict if race conditions don’t matter.

Then why compile to JS? And what happens when the client performs any actions, e.g clicks a button that should send an outgoing request either from the client or from the server?

Does it compile to JS? I didn't see a mention in the repo, where did you see that?

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by gardenhedge »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #9

What is missing from the web framework space is a headless ui components merged with a db layer. Most of these frameworks repeat old patterns. Nothing has been able to break through and give us something truly revolutionary like Rails did. Web frameworks need to be a visual medium where you can create ui using visual tools and the "backend" side of things merge seamlessly.

remix run

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by faizmokh »

dvektor wrote: post #27
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #15

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Have noticed that teens tend to indeed say they're x old on stuff they're doing.

And he's been working on it for a year. So he built a web framework at 14. And I can't center a div without a google search... (I am a back-end dev tho, so its a little better than it sounds)

Just use Flexbox and blame it on the user if they are still using old browsers that doesn't support it.

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by uranusjr »

okasaki wrote: post #104
evanharwin wrote: post #4

Wow I like it, simple like Flask, but with the HTML in the same file (as opposed to the jinja templates) which is a pattern I really like! Makes me wonder if you could integrate this ambition to do the web-stuff in your Python file with the FastAPI/Pydantic BaseModel situation. Like a HTML templating library made out of Python data classes (or Pydantic BaseModels). Either way, I respect the ambition! :) Always cool t…

Flask's routes return strings, there's nothing stopping you from doing this. The render_template function is just a convenience.

Technically the string return type is just a shorthand, IIRC render_template returns a Response object that sets Content-Type and other things appropriately. But yeah it’s pretty trivial to create an HTML formatting library and use it with Flask. (I think there’s already libraries for the tag syntax, you just need to hook it into Flask, or literally any Python web framework really.)

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by brap »

lbhdc wrote: post #111
brap wrote: post #103

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Then why compile to JS? And what happens when the client performs any actions, e.g clicks a button that should send an outgoing request either from the client or from the server?

Does it compile to JS? I didn't see a mention in the repo, where did you see that?

I saw it somewhere as one of the next milestones, can't find it now but didn't look too much

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by glimmung »

mhd wrote: post #38
phas0ruk wrote: post #17

Flask is decent. Can’t we use that?

Whatever happened to web2py? I remember that being brought up a lot in these discussions…

It's in maintenance mode, and still has a role.

However, the focus has moved to py4web [1] which has many of web2py's strengths (including the DAL), but with a more orthodox architecture at the cost of a little more complexity and a slightly steeper learning curve.

[1] https://py4web.com/

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by earthboundkid »

bowsamic wrote: post #73
earthboundkid wrote: post #59

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What’s your honest appraisal of this code? Would you ever under any circumstances use it? If not, then be honest and tell them to keep pushing. The quote is that it is not much “yet”. It’s a good first step, but having too high of a self-appraisal is just as bad as having too low. As an elementary school kid I worked for several years on a BASIC game where you could fly an ASCII art ship around the screen. It was not…

You are heavily projecting onto him. You don’t know anything about him and even if you did unless he’s being openly belligerent it’s not your place to fix him Just let people build things. There’s no need to aggressively tear them down. Programming for fun is not serious

You are projecting that people need unconditional affirmation. Why? Normal people can handle mild criticism.

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by earthboundkid »

beefpies wrote: post #63
earthboundkid wrote: post #59

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What’s your honest appraisal of this code? Would you ever under any circumstances use it? If not, then be honest and tell them to keep pushing. The quote is that it is not much “yet”. It’s a good first step, but having too high of a self-appraisal is just as bad as having too low. As an elementary school kid I worked for several years on a BASIC game where you could fly an ASCII art ship around the screen. It was not…

You don't know anything about this kid. You definitely don't know that what they need in their life is discouragement. Don't conflate their childhood with yours. If a 15 year old wanted to show me a project, and I wanted to help them understand what would improve it, I'd ask them questions and engage them in a Socratic process to lead them that direction. I wouldn't tell them that their work was trash. That would eit…

Who said it was trash? I said there are no new ideas, and it’s not ready for other people to use. Why would you conflate that with “trash”? That’s a perfectly normal, honest assessment.

I think you guys are expecting a 15 year old to be treated like a 5 year old. 15 is old enough to make real contributions to open source. Aaron Swartz is the obvious example, but lots of other young people make big contributions. It’s honest to say “good for you and keep working but this isn’t ready for the front page of Hacker News and if you think it is you will hold yourself back.”

Re: Show HN: I built a Python web framework

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Post by xcdzvyn »

pocketarc wrote: post #95
xcdzvyn wrote: post #71

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I never have because, and no disrespect to the author here, I feel I'd be seeking attention. It brings my brain back to that "14-Year-Old Prodigy Programmer Dreams In Code" video, actually.

Oh wow, I remember that. Whatever happened to that kid? Edit: ML research at Apple[0] [0]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slgonzalez

I went down that rabbit-hole too :) He's a private pilot too, apparently. Good for him.
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