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Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by acidictadpole »

mulmen wrote: post #144
notoverthere wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't even a realistic use case of tracking. Nobody needs tracking cookies to get reminders about buying birthday cards. Online stores can (and do) remind us about this stuff via email. No third-party tracking cookies needed – you're already a customer of theirs. If they want to get in touch, they already know your order history and contact details. Or, you know, we can add our own reminders to a personal calend…

I don’t think the article makes the case that tracking cookies are required. It only claims that automated reminders can benefit people, which is far less controversial. The article gives instructions on how to turn this off and concludes with the classic warning about being the product.

It's less controversial but also not really relevant. Those kinds of reminders shouldn't be using cookies, and don't need to.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by wolverine876 »

marcus0x62 wrote: post #111
tgv wrote: post #39

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It's against the guidelines to be dismissive, but there really is no other response. Especially when you left read the follow-up sentence: > Offloading cognitive effort, such as reminders like these, is a great way automation can assist humanity. Does that pass for journalism? I really don't want to read the rest of the article.

> Does that pass for journalism? I think it passes for a press release disguised as a news article.

And that passes for a comment.

Google didn't write a press release that raises questions - insightful ones that I hardly ever see in other coverage - about their privacy practices and recommends competitors such as Firefox and Brave.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by scarface_74 »

xg15 wrote: post #115
tgv wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's against the guidelines to be dismissive, but there really is no other response. Especially when you left read the follow-up sentence: > Offloading cognitive effort, such as reminders like these, is a great way automation can assist humanity. Does that pass for journalism? I really don't want to read the rest of the article.

It's actually worth reading the article to the end, because otherwise you'd be missing the amazing final paragraph: > Lastly, it’s good to remember nothing truly comes for free. Software costs money to develop. If you’re not paying towards that, then it’s likely you – or your data – are the product. We need to revolutionise how we think about our own data and what value it truly holds. Ignoring the fact that this is…

1. There are services that you pay for where you are still the product - true

2. There are services that you pay for where you are not the product

3. All services that you don’t pay for you are the product.

So the first step is getting people to pay for the service

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by denton-scratch »

pluijzer wrote: post #122
matwood wrote: post #49

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I used Brave for awhile, but it got too crypto which made it feel scammy.

Brave gives me a strong negative gut reaction. I really doubt crypto goes well with ethics. Looking at some of Brave's past transgressions confirms it for me. Sure, you can turn it off, just like you can remove the pineapple from pizza, the pizza is still ruined though.

> Sure, you can turn it off, just like you can remove the pineapple from pizza, the pizza is still ruined though.

I like this analogy; pineapple on pizza is just like a browser that runs a crypto miner.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by kjkjadksj »

esteth wrote: post #119
dspillett wrote: post #89

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> Can anyone explain to me why this is worse than third-party cookies? How about thinking the other way around: Can you, or anyone else for that matter, explain to me why this is better than commercial interests not following us around at all ? > turn off third-party cookies, but a bunch of the internet breaks if you do that Most of what breaks is just tracking for ad serving purposes. I'm fine with that breaking. So…

I totally appreciate the desire not to want an advertising profile build for you at all! I think that in practice, interest-based-advertising is going to happen, and I think if chrome can provide a way for it to be done without involving so many sketchy third-parties then I'm for that. I don't know a huge amount about the wider ecosystem here, but I can imagine that if chrome were to disable third-party cookies witho…

I think a big flaw of interest based ads is that my interests rarely line up with what I am in the market for. Say I am interested in some hobby. I probably have all my gear already, and if I buy new gear it means doing enough research to breach through the fog of marketing to see it for what it is. I might spend all my days reading about hobby x online, when I really ought to be advertised the differences of some other products y and z that I actually will buy, which I only see when I visit a physical store and see them together on a shelf.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by alexvitkov »

eduction wrote: post #139
alexvitkov wrote: post #24

> Tracking technology can arguably benefit us as well. For example, it could be helpful if an online store reminds you every three months you need a new toothbrush, or that this time last year you bought a birthday card for your mum. fuck off

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i sincerely apologize and profusely thank the author for spreading awareness to this issue!

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by wolverine876 »

SpikyBlackHard wrote: post #53
tgv wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's against the guidelines to be dismissive, but there really is no other response. Especially when you left read the follow-up sentence: > Offloading cognitive effort, such as reminders like these, is a great way automation can assist humanity. Does that pass for journalism? I really don't want to read the rest of the article.

I quit at what is a cookie. It's 2020 or so, my dead grandparents knew what a cookie is and it's time to go to work anyway.

That far overestimates what the general public understands about what you do every day. Most people have zero idea and less interest.

Re: Google Chrome just rolled out a new way to track you and serve ads

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Post by wolverine876 »

hosteur wrote: post #52
tgv wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's against the guidelines to be dismissive, but there really is no other response. Especially when you left read the follow-up sentence: > Offloading cognitive effort, such as reminders like these, is a great way automation can assist humanity. Does that pass for journalism? I really don't want to read the rest of the article.

This is where I stopped reading as well. This would be a much better article for this thread: https://movementforanopenweb.com/googles-privacy-sandbox-a-c...

How do you know which article is better, without reading them?
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