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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by hutzlibu »

ploxiln wrote: post #129
nyanpasu64 wrote: post #10

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Ubuntu is now bundling advertisements for their paid services in apt upgrade output and the GUI software sources manager, in packages which cannot be uninstalled because they're hard dependencies of the `ubuntu-desktop` metapackage. Plus they've replaced Firefox with a package which installs a Snap, which loads so slowly they added a "snap opened" notification.

FWIW there's really nothing wrong with uninstalling this kind of metapackage. I've been uninstalling the "ubuntu-desktop" metapackage as I trim my ubuntu systems, for over a decade. I use a combination of "debfoster -n" and aptitude for the trimming ... it is a bit annoying but it's just once per install. That said, for the past couple years I've just run Debian and Arch. But I'll probably use ubuntu again for a whil…

"It's fine."

No, it is not fine, that I have to fight my OS. It is managable if one has some skills with computer like we do, but it is not fine in general. I would like to trust the operating system I use.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by lacrimacida »

olavgg wrote: post #239
lacrimacida wrote: post #232

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I go along with whatever our employer policies are and don’t even have much say in for example when windows defender agressively scans and scans and scans slowing my machine to a crawl when Im building a Visual Studio project. It’s infuriating at times but it ain’t on my dime, I try to go along with the program, go for a coffee or walk when building. From minutes it went to 1/4 or 1/3 hours. Good job Microsoft, you’r…

For 10 years ago I was in the position of both of you. I hate being ineffective, but because of company policies I just had to go along. Anyway, the madness inside made me quit and after that I've booted several successful startups. Quitting was the best descision I've ever made. It is a big leap for sure, but heck. If you're not happy with current work, you shouldn't continue.

Great for you. Im still trapped for now and not ready for much risk as I have a young child to raise. But hope one day I’ll make a move unless I get neutralized and stop caring for good.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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dustedcodes wrote: post #237
lacrimacida wrote: post #230

My wife’s laptop just upgraded itself to windows 11 pro form 10 pro unasked & unsolicited and all prefs were changed to microsoft traps including edge being the default. Dark patterns galore. Luckily I could revert back to the previous version.

Good husbands don't let their wives use Windows.

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by ClassyJacket »

dustedcodes wrote: post #237
lacrimacida wrote: post #230

My wife’s laptop just upgraded itself to windows 11 pro form 10 pro unasked & unsolicited and all prefs were changed to microsoft traps including edge being the default. Dark patterns galore. Luckily I could revert back to the previous version.

Good husbands don't let their wives use Windows.

Good husbands don't force their wives to wrestle with random daily problems like screen brightness not working on Linux because of their personal tech politics.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by rekoil »

hackerlight wrote: post #261
lacrimacida wrote: post #230

My wife’s laptop just upgraded itself to windows 11 pro form 10 pro unasked & unsolicited and all prefs were changed to microsoft traps including edge being the default. Dark patterns galore. Luckily I could revert back to the previous version.

I spent 2 hours trying to uninstall Edge unsuccessfully then decided to live with it.

https://github.com/rcmaehl/MSEdgeRedirect is a decent band-aid on the problem.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by hutzlibu »

lionkor wrote: post #225
S201 wrote: post #218

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> Apple seems to be the only sensible alternative. My Arch box has never once tried to display an ad to me, or coerce me to use any particular piece of software for that matter.

I have to +1 very loudly for Arch. It has an absolute dream of a documentation. Any configuration or cache paths are default, the distro doesnt try to fuck with it like Ubuntu and others do - you do `man mytool` or look at the official docs for that tool, and if that says the config is at /etc/monkey/mytool.conf, it is. The package manager works well. The installer is very solid by now. It comes with absolutely nothi…

And if one likes the Arch way, but a graphical installer and some things taken care of for you, I recommend EndeavourOS.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by 6510 »

They finally convinced me to try bing chat. Made a shortcut like so:

microsoft-edge:https://www.bing.com/search?showconv=1&sendquery=1&form=MY02...

Can also use it to create your own bing chat links on your home page.

They've promised not to do it anymore in the EU apparently.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by midasuni »

rjbwork wrote: post #258
hnlmorg wrote: post #222

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I remember when we first found out that IE could be uninstalled from Windows 98 and thus what eventually lead the EU to mandate Microsoft give Windows users a choice of 3rd party browsers. Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now.

>Back then businesses were a lot more scared of the repercussions of anti-competitive behaviour than they are now. Reasonably, too. Governments seem reluctant to actually regulate anti-competitive behavior these days, especially from tech giants. I think it must be a kind of technological "too big to fail".

Big businesses have more resource and more ability to manipulate the public than democratic governments

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by tremon »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #103
smt88 wrote: post #81

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My experience is the opposite. I spent 15 years on Linux desktops until finally switching to Windows for the sake of my producivity. I've seen promoted links in Win10/11, but never anything that harmed my productivity. Most importantly, the OS just fades into the background. I never think about it. Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventuall…

I work on Linux and game on Windows (for the moment). I switched to Linux around 12 years ago, after Entity Framework was the last straw developing .Net stuff. Configuring Linux is fun, so yes, I've done a reasonable amount of playing around with it. But I chose this. There was always the option of picking a "batteries included" distro and just running that with no playing around. I've never encountered a situation w…

it seems so condescending compared to Linux

This is my experience as well. To use a power tools analogy, Windows is the DIY line of equipment: moderately powered, relatively easy to use, if it breaks/wears down you buy a new one. Linux, on the other hand, is the professional's choice: much more powerful, harder to master, but it's user servicable and infinitely better customizable for each use case.

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