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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by FireBeyond »

yathaid wrote: post #113
perryizgr8 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's not. That's why I said it is "like" complaining about shipping safari as default. Because it is not exactly the same thing, but comparable.

No it isn't. Its like you ordering sushi and the restaurant gives you shoes because they know better.

You mean like how the first time you use Chrome on macOS (which you obviously had to manually install), it checks with you to see if you'd really rather just use Safari instead (and Safari is the default answer, not Chrome)?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by khobragade »

hackernewds wrote: post #168
khobragade wrote: post #150

I ended up blocking Edge in the firewall so it would at least close quickly without loading any useless stuff. Even then the firewall rule would reset periodically so I made a new one that points to the Edge binary.

how can one do this?

Here's how...

1. Find out where the Edge executable is; copy its path.

2. Open 'Windows Defender Firewall with Advanced Security'

3. Select Inbound Rules (Left pane).

3.1 Click on 'New Rule' (Right pane)

3.2 Set the type of rule to Program, click Next and paste the exe path and delete the quotation marks. Click Next.

3.3 Set the Action to 'Block the connection' and then select where this rules applies (select all three options). Click Next.

3.4 Specify a name (and an optional description) for the rule.

Done!

I also made a blocking outbound rule, but I don't think it's necessary for this purpose.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by TwentyPosts »

dc3k wrote: post #108
keyle wrote: post #92

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I've been out of the Windows world for years, but seeing a lot of games are now available on Linux, and drivers, why not build a Linux gaming PC? I mean what else would you need a PC with Windows for? This ReviOS stuff has all the smoke signals of too good to be true .

I want less hassle, not more. Linux still has a very long way to go in gaming - some things still require a bunch of tweaking, some games suffer from poor frame rates or just plain don’t work at all. Also I vastly prefer the windows desktop experience to any Linux distribution I’ve tried over the years.

I don't know, works on my machine. Basically any game I play works immediately out of the box. Last bigger issues I remember is Elden Ring crashing when opening sometimes.

Otherwise it all just works immediately, no issues at all.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by alkonaut »

aarong11 wrote: post #172
doyouevensunbro wrote: post #149

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Don’t ever hit the help menu. So the problem is that MS opens help in it’s own browser? That complaint seems disingenuous at best.

Except edge then opens and presents you with some message about setting it to the default browser (which a lot of people will just click ok to make it go away)

That an internal OS system (help) opens in the OS browser I'm willing to accept. That every browser says "please please make us the default browser" is annoying but hardly unique for Edge. This is just the combination of the two.

I don't think enough people use Win+Type+Enter queries, nor F1 help in Windows to make the discussion very interesting compared to the really interesting ones like which browsers will open a hyperlink in a non-browser app.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by kuboble »

bachmeier wrote: post #95
smt88 wrote: post #81

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My experience is the opposite. I spent 15 years on Linux desktops until finally switching to Windows for the sake of my producivity. I've seen promoted links in Win10/11, but never anything that harmed my productivity. Most importantly, the OS just fades into the background. I never think about it. Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventuall…

> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

I think when you are such a proficient user of some technology you don't even realize how many mistakes you can make along the way. And some small annoyance that you don't even notice might be a burden and a day-long struggle for someone less experienced.

As an example of such a behavior on Windows. My customers (too often) complain that my console-based program suddenly stopped and they tried everything and can't make it to restart.

The problem is that they don't realize that selecting some text in the window blocks the stdout and the program won't continue until they remove the selection.

So for a more experienced user it's nothing, but for someone new to terminal behavior it's a huge obstacle.

On Linux you have much more traps like that.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by perihelions »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #110

I'm surprised no one has brought up United States v. Microsoft yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... . They were successfully sued for favoring their browser over others, and faced being broken up. Though their actions now are not as egregious as those actions 25 years ago, it's obvious that no lesson has been learned.

- "their actions now are not as egregious as those actions 25 years ago"

Which part of the other case do you view as more egregious? They seem similar to me.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by makapuf »

BuckRogers wrote: post #199
saghm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this A vendor of a web browser and email client, sure. A vendor of an operating system and one (or both) of a web browser and an email client, hell no. If anything, an operating system should be forced _not_ to tightly integrate to vendor-specific apps and instead should provide integration loosely and in a way…

At a certain point, you’re pretty much asking for socialism. No one should be obligated to build an entire operating system that works on billion combination of potential parts, and then cater to everyone else so that they get the native experience in every way integrating with the OS. Obviously, I want the best experience as an end-user. But I think it’s ridiculous, at a certain point you should have to invest the b…

I think you should be able to embed a browser with your os (the browser is almost part of an os now, and there can be links between those integration), but not prevent 3rd party browsers or tie services to your browser. There is no technical reason for bing.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by gokhan »

bachmeier wrote: post #95
smt88 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is the opposite. I spent 15 years on Linux desktops until finally switching to Windows for the sake of my producivity. I've seen promoted links in Win10/11, but never anything that harmed my productivity. Most importantly, the OS just fades into the background. I never think about it. Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventuall…

> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

My son got a Lenovo T16 AMD for school, wanted to go with Kubuntu and spent one week setting up hibernate. Only solution that works is still hacky, he runs a script that disables then enables some things after returning from hibernation to make networking work.

This, on a machine that you can buy with Linux.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by makapuf »

codebolt wrote: post #196
foxylad wrote: post #60

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Sad you didn't see Linux as a better alternative to OSX. I credit it with making me at least 10% more productive over the twenty years I've used it, partly because it is stable and fast, but mostly because it isn't trying to sell me stuff while I work.

My 8 year old son inherited an old laptop this week, that was too slow to consider installing Win 11, so I ended up loading it with XUbuntu. The first thing I did was actually to install Edge, because that makes it possible to monitor his web browsing using MS Parental Controls. I actually think it's a good browser, certainly better than Chrome (too bloated) or Firefox (too buggy). I'll never understand HNs relentles…

When a company uses dirty tactics against your project, forcing its (at the time) inferior product by strong arming pc vendors, call your project a Cancer and tries to undermine java and the Web and has been found guilty on court, some animosity is in order. Yeah its been a long time. Seeing current practices, not so much it seems.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by FireInsight »

BuckRogers wrote: post #199
saghm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this A vendor of a web browser and email client, sure. A vendor of an operating system and one (or both) of a web browser and an email client, hell no. If anything, an operating system should be forced _not_ to tightly integrate to vendor-specific apps and instead should provide integration loosely and in a way…

At a certain point, you’re pretty much asking for socialism. No one should be obligated to build an entire operating system that works on billion combination of potential parts, and then cater to everyone else so that they get the native experience in every way integrating with the OS. Obviously, I want the best experience as an end-user. But I think it’s ridiculous, at a certain point you should have to invest the b…

Your comment is ridiculous to me. We have Linux, probably supported on billion combinations, not too closely integrated with "vendor-specific" things. It's also free to use and free software, constantly being improved and extended by people around the world.

I don't much care about Windows, but as someone who has to use it for certain work I feel like I have the right to complain about Microsoft trying to force it's other products on me. And they probably could survive by having their OS be a bit more end-user friendly,, and if they couldn't, we would use some other OS.

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