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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by ssscool »

physicles wrote: post #21
nyanpasu64 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu is now bundling advertisements for their paid services in apt upgrade output and the GUI software sources manager, in packages which cannot be uninstalled because they're hard dependencies of the `ubuntu-desktop` metapackage. Plus they've replaced Firefox with a package which installs a Snap, which loads so slowly they added a "snap opened" notification.

This is one of the reasons why I stopped using Ubuntu and switched to pop os. Is there something keeping you from switching to another Debian derivative?

You haven't stopped, PopOS is a Ubuntu derivative, not a Debian derivative. The future looks interesting though with at least the bulk of gnome dependencies removed with Cosmics - will still be a Ubuntu third-party spin / derivative though.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by midoridensha »

monero-xmr wrote: post #4
heavyset_go wrote: post #2

Looks like nothing much has changed on Microsoft's end. I posted this 2 years ago on HN[1] about how Microsoft goes out of its way to manipulate users when they search for "Firefox" on Bing using Edge: > Tangentially related, but I recently spun up a Windows VM and used Edge to search Bing for "Firefox" and this is result I got[2]. > It's a giant banner that says, "You're already browsing in Microsoft Edge. Keep usin…

I installed Windows on a media PC (all other laptops are macOS or Linux) and it was like the entire OS is a web browser without ad block installed. Just endless nags, pop ups, notifications, ads in my start menu, ads in the login screen, holy shit. Who actually likes this? It’s insane!

>Who actually likes this? It’s insane!

It's not insane at all, it's good for business. Who likes it? Microsoft shareholders of course. All these annoyances help to increase Microsoft's profits, so they're good by definition.

If you don't like the modern Windows experience, it's simple: don't use Windows.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by kristofferg »

TonyStr wrote: post #137

I used a debloater on my windows 11 laptop which also removed edge. No big deal since Firefox is my browser if choice, but I'm a Web developer and need to test my apps in different browsers. I've tried to install edge multiple times, but I can never get it to work.

You can’t remove plankton and expect the whale to survive.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by midoridensha »

AraceliHarker wrote: post #77

Most of the people who participate in Windows Insider are amateurs, they don't have several PCs for functional verification, they don't have in-depth knowledge of software testing, and there is no point in blaming them. On the contrary, Windows 11 is entrusted to these amateurs for functional verification instead of QA, so it is not surprising that Windows 11 has bugs in every update.

Why should Microsoft spend any money on maintaining a QA team and doing functional verification? What's the business benefit?

Leaving QA to a bunch of amateurs is a good thing: it saves MS lots of money, and so increases profitability, and increases shareholder value. Windows users aren't going to stop using Windows because of a bunch of bugs that a dedicated QA department would have caught, so there's no reason to avoid bugginess.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by jay_kyburz »

nologic01 wrote: post #178

Windows continuously monitors what browsers users have installed. If you uninstall Chrome, it immediately tries to make Edge the default browser. And it never respects my wishes for a default browser. Any OS embedded help link will open Edge, wasting me time, memory and screen space.

One thing I really hate is that, I like to hit the windows key and start typing the name of an app I want to open, but if I mistype the app name, it searches the web for the misspelling... in Edge!

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by jay_kyburz »

dismalpedigree wrote: post #158
cebert wrote: post #53

I used to be a huge Windows fan, but shoving Edge upon me so aggressively has made me decide it’s time to move on. Moving forward, I’m only buying Apple or Linux devices.

I bought my pre-teen a prebuilt pc for gaming recently. Figured windows 11 would be easier due to compatibility with games and it being pre installed. After screwing with it for several hours to remove as much crap as possible, What I found was that every time it restarted there was a new prompt to reenable something, surreptitiously start using a ms service, etc. I gave up and installed Ubuntu. Not every game works…

I would love to see my kids using KDE on some flavor of Linux, but the two biggest games they play have issues. Roblox and Fortnite.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by reilly3000 »

nxpnsv wrote: post #165

How’s this making ms any money?

More edge usage tends to translate to more Bing queries and clicks, more data, more targeting, more cross selling their services. Google as default search in Chrome, Safari, and Firefox is a major problem for #2 search engine.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by jay_kyburz »

yathaid wrote: post #113
perryizgr8 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's not. That's why I said it is "like" complaining about shipping safari as default. Because it is not exactly the same thing, but comparable.

No it isn't. Its like you ordering sushi and the restaurant gives you shoes because they know better.

More like, they bring the sushi, but also a pair of shoes. And when you throw the shoes on the floor because they are not what you ordered, they come back over and put them back on the table.

On iOS they only sell shoes, you don't go there if you want sushi. (and too bad if you find yourself locked into the apple ecosystem / restaurant, because shoes is all they have.)

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by squeaky-clean »

bachmeier wrote: post #95
smt88 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is the opposite. I spent 15 years on Linux desktops until finally switching to Windows for the sake of my producivity. I've seen promoted links in Win10/11, but never anything that harmed my productivity. Most importantly, the OS just fades into the background. I never think about it. Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventuall…

> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

It's 2023 and I still can't get a Dell laptop with Linux pre-installed to sleep properly without crashing without editing things in the terminal and mucking about in the bios.

Even giving up on that and disabling sleep on lid close requires using the terminal. Sure the Gnome Tweaks tool has a setting for that but it's not installed by default and check the comments here, it doesn't actually work.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-...

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-nz/000179566/how-to-di...

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