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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Try opening help or press F1 with the desktop in focus. This normally opens Edge.

Don’t ever hit the help menu. So the problem is that MS opens help in it’s own browser? That complaint seems disingenuous at best.

Except the same is applied to the start menu, help pages, system links, just to name a few.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I believe it. I've used linux desktops for 20 years also and command line is definitely a must on a daily basis. Ive also used Windows and agree that it just fades into background. Windows 10/11 definitely less paiinful on the desktop. These days with better integration with and tools for Linux cli, Windows is definitely my preferred gui productivity environment. Many Linux fans don't know better or won't admit it be…

I just set up Windows and spent an entire week googling how to tame it. Turns out dism.exe at the CLI is required to make it free up 20 to 30GB! of disk space it was wasting. Many, many hours and late nights figuring out how to turn off telemetry, Edge and more. Multiple Group policy editor settings to force it to do what is asked and no more. For some reason updates and uninstalls take forever and uninstalls can’t b…

> spent an entire week googling how to tame it

Part of the reason Windows doesn't fade into the background for you is that you insist on fighting it, you're tweaking stuff you should just leave alone... according to Microsoft.

Physically it's not possible for me to use Windows, my hand cramps up, not completely sure why that happens, but it provides a constant physical reminder that I'm using Windows.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventually. Really? What kind of things do you have to google for Linux to work these days? The opposite is true for me in Windows, I am not about to relearn how to use the Windows terminal.

In my personal experience it's usually random little things that technically work but not quite right, and occasionally it's stuff that's just outright broken. There's also been a fair amount of googling for how to set up X in Linux to do Y only to find a trail of half-functional or abandoned packages. Getting global menus set up in your DE of choice for example takes a surprising amount of twiddling and even at its…

It's frustrating that you can't change DE in Windows though, and that it changes from version to version.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Win10 requires a lot of tweaking to make it usable. Win11 just requires more. I'm guessing every windows version going forward will be on the same escalator. When it's un-tweakable it'll be time for me to go.

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Smooth as butter, I love it. No app store, none of that candy crush stuff. Its what I expected Windows to be. Its a shame that I considered myself a power user but only learnt about it 2 years back.

I am currently building a gaming PC for my partner, and the OS is my biggest unsolved headache. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC sounds perfect - can I ask you for a recommendation on where to get a license?

I haven't had to deal with Microsoft licensing in over fifteen years, and unsurprisingly the topic doesn't seem to have gotten any easier since then.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Looks like they really learned a lot from that $613M EU fine. I hope they double it next time. How much exactly do they make from forcing IE down users throats? Apparently enough to justify this behavior given the past penalties, just mind blowing that they’re able to continue to do this and just pay fines. You’d think there’d be more backlash at the board level to this type of behavior.

Browser domination is the Holy Grail. They will persist as long as the EXPECTED VALUE of the fine is less than the projected benefit - which is existential for the company.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Microsoft is weird. People where pretty happy about Edge initially and Microsoft fail to capitalize on that.

Why not just create a good browser, bundle it Windows, ensure it has excellent privacy features and if people use it then great, if not, to bad. I really fail to see Microsofts end goal here. They don't need people to use Edge, they don't need to spy on people... So why do they feel like they must?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I ended up blocking Edge in the firewall so it would at least close quickly without loading any useless stuff. Even then the firewall rule would reset periodically so I made a new one that points to the Edge binary.

how can one do this?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

I believe it. I've used linux desktops for 20 years also and command line is definitely a must on a daily basis. Ive also used Windows and agree that it just fades into background. Windows 10/11 definitely less paiinful on the desktop. These days with better integration with and tools for Linux cli, Windows is definitely my preferred gui productivity environment. Many Linux fans don't know better or won't admit it be…

Could it be because you're more comfortable with the CLI than any GUI alternative? E.g. I wouldn't go clicking about for installing packages when it's just one line away.

I know many power users of Windows that bring up their terminal frequently as well.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Good! Chrome is a monstrous application, and it's good when people are coerced off of it.

I spot a flaw in this, aside from the fact that the way this coercion is done is highly unethical and illegal, and it's that Edge is functionally a Chrome reskin with some added Microsoft bells and whistles.

People switching from Chrome to Edge won't help with the browser monoculture. And especially switching from Firefox to Edge will not help.

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