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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I want the Chrome to stop being the majority shareholder of the market. But not like this.

Edge is effectively chrome under the hood. It’s not doing much for browser diversity

Exactly. If anything Edge, Brave and other Chromium browsers gives a false sense of healthy competition.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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> Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this A vendor of a web browser and email client, sure. A vendor of an operating system and one (or both) of a web browser and an email client, hell no. If anything, an operating system should be forced _not_ to tightly integrate to vendor-specific apps and instead should provide integration loosely and in a way…

I do think people like Dolby Atmos, Android Auto, Airdrop, SMB, systemd, the whole of SteamOS and I think when you get down to it "tight integration but I don't like it" is the only definition you'll get that actually will encompass what people mean. Because what makes Springboard on iOS okay when on Android you can have Nova? What makes NFS okay to build in the kernel but not Airdrop? What makes Steam's overlay brow…

Dolby Atmos, at least, sounds good but it's pretty annoying because it's had the practical effect of making height channels proprietary in most systems.

Springboard definitely isn't OK.

There's no good reason that Airdrop shouldn't be in the Linux kernel and it probably would be if the protocol were well documented.

You can use game overlays other than the Steam one, so there's nothing stopping Microsoft from creating an overlay that provides the Edge browser.

Rich integrations are great but when the boundary is perceived by the user as being two different programs or systems, both sides of the integration should have well-documented public interfaces that support swapping out the other side (no "private API" funny business).

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Meh. I just use text files and emacs. And I hacked sc to use emacs key bindings for spreadsheets. It's far from an ideal system, but it works for me. Simplicity can be nice.

How is your personal preference relevant at all under a comment of enterprise-level setup? You are going to ask everyone in the company to use emacs?

Everyone in my company uses emacs, except the few who use vi. There is one guy who uses VSCode. I have no idea what he uses to type text documents for human consumption. So, sure. Use whatever tool works for you. Kind of bizarre you're wanting everyone to use Word and Edge (and Win 11). I mean... you should use what works for you. But you shouldn't freak out when people use different things. I hear some people use Macs, for instance.

I mean... most of my daily effort goes into supporting a bank. There's A LOT of mainframe stuff. Some COBOL. Some guys using AIX (actually, a surprising number of guys using AIX) and (as mentioned previously, xterms and emacs or vi.) On the dev side there's more focus on file format standards than tools. So use whatever tool that generates files in the appropriate format. We probably could use Win11, but they started using AIX in the 90s and just never got around to moving to Windows.

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> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

I believe it. I've used linux desktops for 20 years also and command line is definitely a must on a daily basis. Ive also used Windows and agree that it just fades into background. Windows 10/11 definitely less paiinful on the desktop. These days with better integration with and tools for Linux cli, Windows is definitely my preferred gui productivity environment. Many Linux fans don't know better or won't admit it be…

Nonsense. They've moved so much stuff about all my windows knowledge from 7 is useless. You'll be in the same spot when 12 comes out.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I used to be ambivalent about Edge. It actually has some nice integrated features I would normally need (slow) addons for, and better integration in Windows features (like better DRM for video streaming).

I even used it in linux some.

...But I just recently tested it on a brand new Windows desktop, and I can't believe how slow and spammy it feels out-of-the-box compared to Thorium/Chromite now.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I’m using Windows 11 and nothing forces open Edge on my machine. Every link opens in Brave like I told it to.

What happens when you press Win, type a query, then press enter, quickly? In Win 10 that opens a Bing search in Edge for me, no matter what settings I try. Very annoying when I type "(Win)chr(enter)" to open Chrome and get a search instead. If I do it slow it will sometimes work. I haven't tried it on Win 11 because that was what caused me to drop Windows altogether. (Everyone has their straw).

I launch apps from the Win key all the time, never ending up in Edge. The worst for me is ending up in “Internet Options” when I want to launch IntelliJ.

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Windows 11 is awful. I'll continue to use windows 10 on my personal laptop for as long as possible.

Win10 requires a lot of tweaking to make it usable. Win11 just requires more. I'm guessing every windows version going forward will be on the same escalator. When it's un-tweakable it'll be time for me to go.

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Smooth as butter, I love it. No app store, none of that candy crush stuff. Its what I expected Windows to be. Its a shame that I considered myself a power user but only learnt about it 2 years back.

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Can you actually switch the default browser with group policy? What if your team only has the bandwidth to support a couple browsers, and your users say they want Chrome and Firefox?

If this is an honest question, then Microsoft's answer is that you use Intune to push the Chrome & Edge settings (via the same policy node, since they're the same engine, they just report their spying to different corporations) and import an ADMX for Firefox policy. That's two browsers worth of policy that you're supporting, but it actually handles three bits of software.

This doesn't answer my question... If an admin does not want their users using Edge, is there an actual way to configure the default browser that doesn't end up opening links and such in Edge?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I’m using Windows 11 and nothing forces open Edge on my machine. Every link opens in Brave like I told it to.

Try opening help or press F1 with the desktop in focus. This normally opens Edge.

Don’t ever hit the help menu. So the problem is that MS opens help in it’s own browser? That complaint seems disingenuous at best.
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