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Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

.."and I'm a leftist."

No kidding.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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I'm fairly sure that living standards will be lowered by floods, fires and other climate catastrophes. Not doing enough to stop CO2 production will result in a lot of lowered living standards, including making some areas of the world uninhabitable without air conditioning etc.

> I'm fairly sure that living standards will be lowered by floods No, it won't as badly. Doomerism is not a valid rational point of view. Most of all, floods would happen anyway, so you'll have floods + lower standards of living, including much worse emergency services. we are not at the brink of extinction and people lived and prospered in almost unhabitable lands long before we had the technology to regulate the te…

> we are not at the brink of extinction and people lived and prospered in almost unhabitable lands long before we had the technology to regulate the temperature.

It's relatively simple (though not necessarily easy) to live in a cold area if you have access to furs and fuel. Trying to survive in an area where the wet bulb temperature is over 35 degrees will require reliable air conditioning and working outside will become virtually impossible for humans.

> Edit: on a side note the reason why your proposal will never work is because cutting o. emissions s it's actually easy. For example let's stop keeping let's at home. Pets that usually eat a lot of red meat. It is feasible, won't lower living standards and won't cost much to society. Now convince people that their cat eats more meat in a year than a Chinese average person and that's not sustainable.

That reads as gibberish.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

#205
post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

This line of thinking is why I never vote for leftists.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

#206
post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms.

Maybe because they understand the immediate consequences of such an action and you don't. That's why 0 leaders around the world are proposing that kind of solutions because everyone that knows how world works, how supply chains work and what kind of environment is needed for people to elect leaders like Hitler. You want WWIII? The best way to do it is crashing the world economy.

> I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's not that big of a problem.

Good luck with that, people didn't work so hard in the west to now switching to 3rd world country standards. Climate change is a common knowledge, there are green parties in almost every country, if people really wanted to change their way of living they would vote for them but they don't. Clearly they are waiting for a technical miracle to happen or just don't care.

So what does it mean? It means that winter is coming and you should prepare for it. None of the newest models show that we can avoid first level of catastrophe even if we stop all the emissions. Millions or tens of millions of people will die, hundreds of millions will try to migrate. At this stage it's not a question of if but when. Life is not a Hollywood movie.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm fairly sure that living standards will be lowered by floods No, it won't as badly. Doomerism is not a valid rational point of view. Most of all, floods would happen anyway, so you'll have floods + lower standards of living, including much worse emergency services. we are not at the brink of extinction and people lived and prospered in almost unhabitable lands long before we had the technology to regulate the te…

> we are not at the brink of extinction and people lived and prospered in almost unhabitable lands long before we had the technology to regulate the temperature. It's relatively simple (though not necessarily easy) to live in a cold area if you have access to furs and fuel. Trying to survive in an area where the wet bulb temperature is over 35 degrees will require reliable air conditioning and working outside will be…

> It's relatively simple (though not necessarily easy) to live in a cold area if you have access to furs and fuel.

there must be a reason why the coldest areas on the Planet are deserted...

> Trying to survive in an area where the wet bulb temperature is over 35 degrees

And yet ancient Egyptians did it 4 thousands years ago.

> That reads as gibberish

My phone has an Italian dictionary. Fixed it.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Because eating less meat, stop taking the plane, reducing our consumption level, replacing cars with bikes and trains and other stuff like that seems radical to you ?

No more air travel is very radical!

I took my first plane at 28 or so. Before it was just too expensive.

I survived, and traveled to many, many countries without it. ( car, buses )

Now, I live between two continents. Take plane at least once a year or every other one.

I would still be in favor of plane restriction.

It will happen anyway: but by prices purely and the most affluent of us will be the less impacted.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Slashing oil production only works if we make serious investments in other energy infrastructure. It’s only tangentially about “standard of living” - it’s about how you even supply food and other basics of living if you cut off current energy systems.

And while we have made renewable energy investments to some degree - it’s at a dilettante level for show instead of being serious about it. Renewable infrastructure investments should be made highly favored financial investments to accelerate its manufacture and installation. Even with large government financing it would save money and lives.

And energy production is only a part of it, investments also need to be favored for restructuring our economy to alter high energy habits like individual commutes in cars vs bikes buses and trains.

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