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You know, I come to HN mostly for the enlightened commentary on the news articles that are posted. Yet anytime something related to sexism in the industry comes up, I am stunned at some of the comments. Yes. It is hard being a woman in the industry. It is hard being a woman in general. But the worst part is seeing how many men think we act like an entirely different species, and its disheartening. Sometimes, comments…
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that of the 752 comments on this thread at the moment probably >700 were written by men? Isn't it potentially sexist in and of itself to have a large discussion about this subject exclusively between men?
Being labeled a sexist is a terrible thing. Saying that a discussion by man on the subject is sexist seems potentially sexist because it implies that man should not discuss because they are man.
Well said. I'm seriously considering leaving the field of software because I'm tired of working with 25 - 35 year old manchildren.
Generalizing 25-35 males working in the industry as manchildren can be seen as misandry (hatred of man). Misogyny does not justify misandry.
As an employee of the University of California, I'm compelled to take annual sexual harassment training, that is, how to identify situations and behaviors that constitute sexual harassment as it has been legally defined. A lot of what was mentioned in the post and in the comments here would be regarded as reportable offenses, if not prosecutable offenses. People should know the law - this stuff can get you in real tr…
That's the essence of the problem I think. It's a big problem, but it's hard to do anything about it without being seen to be overreacting.
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It's really easy to say that the world has become too politically correct when you're not the one offended. It's easy not to be offended when you're not in an isolated or alienated group. What's not too PC for you? Blackface minstrel shows? Cross burning? Swastikas? Effigy burnings? Many developers find stereotypes of "tech nerds" offensive. If the women in your office showed up with plaid shirts, pocket protectors,…
"It's really easy to say that the world has become too politically correct when you're not the one offended. It's easy not to be offended when you're not in an isolated or alienated group." This isn't true. When my co-workers have gotten into political discussions that were completely against my beliefs, I could have easily gotten offended. But you know what? I don't, because I'm an adult. Some people are going to sa…
But you know what? I don't, because I'm an adult. Some people are going to say things you may not like. Just ignore them.
Wow, stop right there and reconsider political beliefs vs gender or race.
If you don't want to be outed as a Ron Paul supporter you just keep your mouth shut. How does a woman stop coworkers from focusing on her breasts? Or the fact that she can become pregnant? Or that she's single?
You don't have to be your political beliefs every moment of your life.
If you walk around alone in an unsafe neighborhood at night, you're asking for trouble. If you don't have a choice but to be in an unsafe neighborhood, hunker down and get to a point in your life when you can afford a safe neighborhood. In the programming world, this translates to : become a great programmer, and you will find yourself in a great programming environment (birds of a feather...). If you really love pro…
WoW! I did not know that. Thank you for that fact. But how do the men function in tribes where women walk around bare chested? It's a wonder more men don't drown on topless and nude beaches!
Or maybe you are attributing social conditioning to biology as an excuse for shitty behavior? And you have no actual evidence but you just badly want it to be true?
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Generalizing 25-35 males working in the industry as manchildren can be seen as misandry (hatred of man). Misogyny does not justify misandry.
You deny her very experience?
He can't possibly have experience with ALL males of 25 - 35 in the industry. Making such a general statement can be perceived as misandry.
EDIT: My reaction was similar to how some people react to "I'm seriously considering leaving the field of software because I'm tired of working with 25 - 35 year old immature bitches/sluts ."
I will consider the comment on reading comprehension and sensitivity.
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You deny her very experience?
georgieporgie is not a her https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3737621 He can't possibly have experience with ALL males of 25 - 35 in the industry. Making such a general statement can be perceived as misandry. EDIT: My reaction was similar to how some people react to "I'm seriously considering leaving the field of software because I'm tired of working with 25 - 35 year old immature bitches/sluts ." I will consider t…
Georgieporgie is tired of working with 25 - 35 year old man children. How is that hating all men or generalizing to all men? In fact he specifically said "working with" as in he actually worked with these people.
You seem awfully sensitive.
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And I, in turn, would blurt out, "yeah, Sarah's a girl because she doesn't menstruate. Hahaha" and everyone would grow more uncomfortable. Edit: it's really sad that HN has such a devotion to using the word "girl" to describe women. It's flat-out demeaning, whether you want to admit it or not.
I found an article about racism in the antebellum South and the cultural norm of referring to an adult black man as a "boy". I never really considered that calling a woman a 'girl' was a way to demean or lower them in status (I do use the word on occasion). I think the key difference is that I would never address a woman as a girl ("Come here, girl") but I may refer to someone as a girl if she in her 20's or younger…
Why can't you simply say "women"? What's the impediment? Why do you so cling to "girl"?
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And I, in turn, would blurt out, "yeah, Sarah's a girl because she doesn't menstruate. Hahaha" and everyone would grow more uncomfortable. Edit: it's really sad that HN has such a devotion to using the word "girl" to describe women. It's flat-out demeaning, whether you want to admit it or not.
I've yet to hear my girlfriend (or any of her friends) use the word "man" or "men." Exclusively "boys" or "boy."