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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by leereeves »

mindcandy wrote: post #18
echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

Climate change deniers tell each other we are coming out of The Little Ice Age that started in 1200AD. Which is technically correct. What they don’t tell each other is that “Little” is an understatement and we shot way past the prior “Medieval Warm Period” long ago and are only accelerating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File%3...

That chart covers a very short duration. Here's a more complete chart of Earth's temperature:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/m...

As you can see, we are indeed coming out of one of the coldest periods ever in Earth's history.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by jncfhnb »

willcipriano wrote: post #24
jncfhnb wrote: post #20

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That is irrelevant to the quote you cited.

Hint: The green stuff is food, for either humans or animals humans can eat.

Yes, good job. Let’s dig a little deeper though.

In terms of useful agricultural output, how many acres of “greening” do you think we might need to offset the loss of one well maintained acre of arable farmland?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by audessuscest »

frob wrote: post #42
polotics wrote: post #34

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What do you mean exactly?

Let's not beat around the bush. This is standard climate change denialism. It's the trope that there is nothing here to worry about because, who knows, the earth COULD have been warmer in the past and it still exists now. It's the same logic that would say that you've decelerated from 60 mph to 0 before without an issue, so you should be just fine after slamming your car into a brick wall.

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

zzzeek wrote: post #38
echelon wrote: post #10

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As I understand it, there was no glacial ice on earth during the Cretaceous. Water covered much more of the earth's surface. There were lots of dinosaurs, insects, and other biodiversity that thrived during this time. Our current biodiversity evolved to fit cooler temperatures, obviously, so the quick change is a huge fitness gradient challenge that many species will not overcome. And in certain food webs, it may res…

I think humans are one of those species, as they cannot survive wet bulb over 95f nor can current populations survive across the collapse of agriculture, hence the problem

That doesn't take technology into account, though. Not arguing one way or the other, but humans are well advanced beyond any species, and are ingenious and inventive to boot. I don't think humans are so easy to wipe out, not on the timeline predicted.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by moffkalast »

scioto wrote: post #50
enraged_camel wrote: post #27

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Part of me feels sad, part of me feels dread, and part of me says, "well, we're just reaping what we have been (and still are) sowing, and we collectively deserve all that is coming." All the suffering sucks though.

This is natural progression. The apex predator takes over and over-grazes the land, so to speak, to the point where it no longer supports the apex, so eventually the apex predator dies off, and the other species that are left can flourish.

The trick is to brake just early enough to hit the apex of the proverbial civilizational corner and come out accelerating until we straighten ourselves out.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by BurningFrog »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #39
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

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Not sure what the "conspiracy" would be, but yeah, the sulfur reductions in ship emissions is definitely a factor. Someone needs to figure out large scale injection of SO2 to the stratosphere. Don't wait for permission, just do it!

> Someone needs to figure out large scale injection of SO2 to the stratosphere. Don't wait for permission, just do it! I wonder if a hundred years ago someone said "Someone needs to introduce the cane toad to Australia to reduce the beetle population! Don't wait for permission, just do it!". Not the exact same thing, sure, but we are terrible at predicting side effects.

The effects of SO2 to the stratosphere are well known and understood, because volcanoes occasionally do just that. Without asking for permission.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #31
ForestCritter wrote: post #12

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I can't back it up because it was a televised congressional committee hearing and I don't remember the name of the scientist but he said that his data he had been studying and working with that was published in the 1940's was different from the data that is now published for that same time period. He made no accusations he just said his data showed no signs of global warming. So, I guess as a skeptic, yes this does m…

You don't think techniques have improved since the 1940s? Of course the data would be different with 60-70 years of improved collection techniques, analysis tools, and theoretical knowledge about the climate.

This does not sound at all like good fortune will shine on current data, though?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by rc_mob »

melling wrote: post #46
badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

Yes, and there’s a lag effect so the temperature will still increase for years after that. However, to be clear, it’s unlikely we get to net zero in 27 years. We haven’t reached any of our goals so far and the goals only get more difficult

Yes. Humanity we are not in good shape.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by frob »

audessuscest wrote: post #53
frob wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not beat around the bush. This is standard climate change denialism. It's the trope that there is nothing here to worry about because, who knows, the earth COULD have been warmer in the past and it still exists now. It's the same logic that would say that you've decelerated from 60 mph to 0 before without an issue, so you should be just fine after slamming your car into a brick wall.

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About 0%. Looking at historical timelines, the rapid change we are seeing now is unprecedented. The forced heating lines up exactly with the additional C02 and methane we have pumped into the atmosphere.

We are causing this, full stop.

(No need to reply; you've already shown yourself to be a sarcastic asshole who sucks down a big glass oil company propaganda for breakfast. [Insert sarcastic winking emoji here])

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