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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by johnnyanmac »

rayiner wrote: post #302
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #283

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I have a completely different experience. My (Indian) manager told me I couldn't be let go because it would make the team entirely Indian :) Apart from that, I found it much easier to work with H1B colleagues than with entitled and full of ego "native" Americans.

Yeah, the ego and entitlement of people living in their native country who can’t be sent back at a moment’s notice.

I can't speak for other countries, but I'm not too surprised that you can run into certain cultures of Americans who seemingly have zero regards for the sentiment of others. Maybe it is ego and entitlement, but it's not because they can't be deported.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

6D794163636F756 wrote: post #423
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I've had multiple coworkers remove comments or reject CRs because there were too many comments. If you foster a culture where comments are discouraged then it's less of an impediment

Is that a culture you want to foster, though?

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donnie12345 wrote: post #378
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She's Indian.

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Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by hejalajsbsb »

oceanplexian wrote: post #124
hejalajsbsb wrote: post #43

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It depends on the company and I would bet my life’s savings that if a discrepancy exists at Google, it is not intentional. I have many American friends, friends on TN visas, and friends on H1Bs and we are transparent about our pay (to protect each other from poor business practices). Being involved in the process there are so many legal barriers and red tape and people take it all seriously. H1B holders will get paid…

I worked at FAANG and knew more than one Indian on H1B. They weren't getting paid "the same but slightly less". They were getting like 50k TC on a team where the rest of the team was making 200+.

To my knowledge that is unambiguously illegal and I hope they band together to get justice. Were they aware of others in shared circumstances?

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Post by throwaway290 »

allarm wrote: post #412
throwaway290 wrote: post #63

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This is such a tone deaf rosy eyed out of touch with reality comment. Modern slavery exists. See things like Uyghur camps, people sold to work until death on Thai boats or exit visas in Saudi Arabia. Having a choice to work for money or (gasp) return home is not even remotely the same? To put them under the same label is to discount the actually bad stuff.

I wonder how Singapore never gets into this list with their maids and helpers and builders living in dormitories.

There are no exit visas for foreign workers, right? Just like with SV, you have an option to come work for money or leave home anytime. Yeah condition may suck but it's a fundamentally different situation.

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Post by throwaway290 »

dotnet00 wrote: post #245
throwaway290 wrote: post #182

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Correct. Now you can maybe read up on those things I mentioned and understand why you are still failing to make H1B even remotely look like actual modern slavery. (Spoiler alert: it might have something to do with pitting "uprooting life" & "no friends" against "no option to leave", "life in confinement" and "work till death")

Calling it slavery isn't to say that the situation is on par with Uyghur camps or Indian laborers in the middle east etc. Just like "I'm dying from this heat" doesn't actually say that the heat is so severe as to kill you the way it can in some parts of the world. The point is that the system creates a similar sense of entrapment as slavery. The fact that it isn't literal slavery doesn't make it not an exploitative p…

"I'm dying from this heat" is okay because dying is something we all do.

That phrase would stop being okay if death was something that happens not to you but to poorer people in other countries. See the difference?

Comparing your privileged life with really bad events that happen to others makes light of them. There's a reason things like "omg it's like a gas chamber here amirite?" are often frowned upon and Auschwitz is stuff of the past but slavery happens today.

Also, sorry but the last part about "similar sense of entrapment", when the worst that can happen is you leave it's not entrapment, actually the opposite of. I myself am on a working visa, yes if I get fired I go home where I'd rather not be, but I'd never have the gall to compare it to literal slavery as long as it's happening...

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Post by turquoisevar »

cj wrote: post #150
lp4vn wrote: post #104

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>This is one of the boomiest industries, with truly insane salaries How many software developers can, in a reasonable timeframe, buy a house in the place they live and support alone a family of four people? Then the truly insane salaries you are talking about are not really that insane. >Laying off makes sense. Sometimes you hire to backfill roles or for strategic teams. Sometimes an H1b is the correct hire. Develope…

> How many software developers can, in a reasonable timeframe, buy a house in the place they live and support alone a family of four people? I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but probably 80-90% assuming you adjust your living standards and move to an area that is affordable. Yes, it's probably more like 10% if you're sending your kids to private school, buying a house in expensive metros, etc.

Luckily these companies that are trying to depress wages are super chill about working from home and are absolutely not demanding that their employees live nearby in the Bay Area so they can come into the office by executive decree…

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Post by nec4b »

Zetice wrote: post #447
nec4b wrote: post #436

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At what square footage does it start holding then? At what point do you start caring more for others than your family and vice versa?

When you aren’t the sole owner of the resources being managed. Once you establish a commons, you need a bureaucracy of some kind to manage it.

Like a shareholder company? So they should pay dividends to non stock holders?
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