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Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by Shocka1 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #450
talldatethrow wrote: post #382

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We don't tell people if they have the right to reproduce, and we shouldn't tell people if they have the right to protect themselves.

Your insistence on a right to a gun for self-protection comes at the cost of others using their right to a gun for crime. If nobody had guns, you wouldn't need to a gun to protect yourself from someone else with a gun. The problem of course is that the genie is already out of the bottle. We can't take the guns away, they're all over the place in the USA already. Even if the Second Amendment was repealed, all that wou…

This made me laugh pretty good, but it's been my opinion for a long time.

Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by nojvek »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #185
psunavy03 wrote: post #170

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Almost no one actually does this, and most sane gun owners think those people are attention whores at the very best, dangerous nuts at worst. This is a phenomenon I've head described as "nutpicking." Take the absolute worst of a demographic and then go "why are you all like THAT?" Claiming US gun culture is all about going to the mall open-carrying a semiauto rifle is on the same level as claiming gay men all prance…

I'm going to plus one psunavy03's comment here. I own firearms, but they're locked in a gun safe. I pull them out every now and again, drive them to a gun range, fire them, clean them and then put them back in the safe. And I believe this is the experience of the overwhelming majority of gun owners in the US. It occurs to me I haven't seen any estimates for how many people open carry on a daily basis. (You would thin…

I only mention because when I was in Texas for the first time in my life, when I entered Target for shopping in Houston area, I saw 4 men walking in with big guns strapped to their back.

I was kind of freaked out but everyone else operated as if it was normal.

I found that pretty jarring. Was only there for a few days but almost everyday I saw someone with a gun on them on the streets.

Yes my sample size is low, but it’s still a strong memory in my mind.

Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by brenns10 »

throw10920 wrote: post #478
brenns10 wrote: post #189

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If anything, that statistic (roughly one per person) doesn't inspire confidence. The correct takeaway isn't "wow, so few of the guns in America are used to kill people." It's "wow, there are so many guns that anybody can have one, regardless of whether they are fit to."

> The correct takeaway This is objectively false. You're attempting to portray a personal opinion as fact. Bad form, and definitely not appropriate for HN. Please don't do that here.

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Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by throw10920 »

brenns10 wrote: post #483
throw10920 wrote: post #478

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> The correct takeaway This is objectively false. You're attempting to portray a personal opinion as fact. Bad form, and definitely not appropriate for HN. Please don't do that here.

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You need to review the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by nojvek »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #193
nojvek wrote: post #133

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As someone who moved to the US and finds the gun culture absolutely bonkers, I get the gun culture and why they had it in the constitution. I don’t get the obsession behind open carry though. What good is people walking around in shopping malls with large semi automatic rifles on their back?

@nojvek -- also... are you seeing people in shopping malls open carrying or are you seeing news articles on TV or online talking about people in shopping malls open carrying? Also, my personal experience is you're MUCH more likely to see someone open carrying at the feed store in the rural parts of the country than at a proper shopping mall in the urban core. (I don't have enough experience with the burbs to render a…

I saw in person. It wasn’t in the city city though, was in one of the suburban malls.

Re: Get a cable modem, go to jail (1999)

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

noduerme wrote: post #249
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #175

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I guess that seems reasonable, but now it makes me wonder about the graph - it can't be that the people who take gun ownership and security safety only know people who do likewise - how many people who take these matters seriously still have friends they hang out with who take it less seriously. Why? Well bad apples and stuff, it's hard to believe perfect discipline is maintained when some of those around you have le…

Just from personal experience among my friends and acquaintances - and anyone I meet who I chance to talk about guns with - there is a very strong self-reinforcing culture of safe handling and responsibility. People will come down incredibly hard on anyone who seems inept or who they even hear speaking about some kind of irresponsible behavior. Now, I'd say about half of these are ex-military people, but they set a s…

>Of course, perfect discipline isn't maintained in this country.

well ok, I don't know but there are stats on how many adults have guns, and there are stats on misuses of guns. I suppose a clever statistician would be able to get to some potential overview of how many people who own guns have decent discipline?

Not saying that's you but someone on this site. It is difficult to find anything with a query on Google nowadays, but the things I do find - like https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/ implies to me that the amount of the population that maintains your level of discipline is very low.

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