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There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
Yep, people are about to learn that those credit card fees actually buy you something.
Consumers defrauded on Zelle are left high and dry by the banks that created it [pdf]
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That’s an elitist world view / statement. More than half of Americans have less than $500 in savings: https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/savings-advice/n...
There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
When you say it would undermine the entire point of Zelle, I don't think that's the Senate's concern. I think the Senate's concern is that banks have created a money transfer system where they eschew their legal obligation to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
Re: Consumers defrauded on Zelle are left high and dry by the banks that created it [pdf]
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s an elitist world view / statement. More than half of Americans have less than $500 in savings: https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/savings-advice/n...
There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
About 4 years ago, I got scammed when I sent a payment to a local preschool and later found out the preschool did not receive those funds. Someone was illicitly reading their emails and and also had control of a discarded email address the school no longer used and routed my Zelle payment to the bank account associated with that. The school suspected a former employee, but nothing ever came of it even though there was a police report and I also filed a complaint with the feds. A police officer called me several months later to say the case had ended up in his lap but he didn't see a way to do anything about it. Chase had multiple meetings with me, and they even knew which bank the funds had been transferred to, so it made no sense to me that there was nothing that could be done to retrieve the funds. Eventually the whole saga just ended with no resolution, and I figured if that person was so desperate they probably needed the money more than me.
Anyone have more insight into the underlying mechanics and why we can't confirm recipient identity/account as a Zelle user?
Re: Consumers defrauded on Zelle are left high and dry by the banks that created it [pdf]
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There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
I see other comments here saying it's intended to be digital cash, but as a programmer it makes no sense that we Zelle users cannot find out the identify and ultimate destination on the other side of the funds transfer - it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. About 4 years ago, I got scammed when I sent a payment to a local preschool and later found ou…
FedNow is here and live.
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Yep, people are about to learn that those credit card fees actually buy you something.
Credit card fees, like insurance rates, are staggeringly high to cover all the crime and fraud. Just hope someday those companies don’t have to have their own law enforcement teams to go after the criminals who cause all that fraud and crime.
Debit cards that fall under the Durbin amendment to the Dodd-Frank act only charge 0.05% + $0.21
Re: Consumers defrauded on Zelle are left high and dry by the banks that created it [pdf]
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There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
I see other comments here saying it's intended to be digital cash, but as a programmer it makes no sense that we Zelle users cannot find out the identify and ultimate destination on the other side of the funds transfer - it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. About 4 years ago, I got scammed when I sent a payment to a local preschool and later found ou…
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> NEVER send any emails or SMS related to Zelle, and the app should say every time it starts "Zelle NEVER sends you an email or text message. Do everything from inside the app." is Zelle ever its own app? I only use Zelle from my banks' apps, and banks use TFA with text messages all the time, including from the website, calls to support, and the bank app running on the phone. I'm not saying that TFA texts to your pho…
Looks like one was released around 2019, I didn't even know. I can't find any specific dates mentioned or any press releases. Things around 2017 mention a Zelle app coming in the future, by 2019 articles are mentioning the Zelle app.
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I see other comments here saying it's intended to be digital cash, but as a programmer it makes no sense that we Zelle users cannot find out the identify and ultimate destination on the other side of the funds transfer - it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. About 4 years ago, I got scammed when I sent a payment to a local preschool and later found ou…
> ... it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. FedNow is here and live.
It's coming, but it's not really "here and live" fully yet.
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There is no way to do what the senators want without undermining the entire point of Zelle. If there are chargebacks then there needs to be a dispute resolution system and higher fees to compensate. These are authorized payments, banks are already obligated to reimburse all unauthorized payments.
I see other comments here saying it's intended to be digital cash, but as a programmer it makes no sense that we Zelle users cannot find out the identify and ultimate destination on the other side of the funds transfer - it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. About 4 years ago, I got scammed when I sent a payment to a local preschool and later found ou…
I'm not sure if it would be you or the officer.
The banking system is supposed to know who everyone is, which is the point of the KYC regulations. Extracting that information out of them is work.
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> ... it's also annoying that the USA doesn't have a simple bank transfer system like many other countries do. FedNow is here and live.
For a couple of initial test institutions in limited cases. It's coming, but it's not really "here and live" fully yet.
[1] https://www.frbservices.org/news/press-releases/072023-fedno...